Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread
03-05-2005, 08:03 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And...who won?
Yes...you can say it...
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"Fisi '05 World Champion"
Dude, you must be smokin' the "chronic"?
IMO, season doesn't start till the Ferrari F2005 is rolled out.
Yes...you can say it...
</TD></TR></TABLE>"Fisi '05 World Champion"
Dude, you must be smokin' the "chronic"?
IMO, season doesn't start till the Ferrari F2005 is rolled out.
03-05-2005, 08:36 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (ITRbroham)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRbroham »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> IMO, season doesn't start till the Ferrari F2005 is rolled out. </TD></TR></TABLE>
True and true!
Love Ferrari or hate Ferrari you all know he's right... Especially when the "circus" gets back on European soil. The F2005 will be the car to use as a guideline to see if McLaren, BAR, Renault, or anyone else really did improve in the 131 days since the last GP in Brasil.
*Besides, the weather played too much of a factor; this grid was a fluke IMHO.
True and true!
Love Ferrari or hate Ferrari you all know he's right... Especially when the "circus" gets back on European soil. The F2005 will be the car to use as a guideline to see if McLaren, BAR, Renault, or anyone else really did improve in the 131 days since the last GP in Brasil.
*Besides, the weather played too much of a factor; this grid was a fluke IMHO.
03-05-2005, 10:43 PM
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think the red bull, though faster than expected will not not repeat what they did today,
I wonder what will happen as the new ferrari rolls out, and freakin' williams gets thier aero package straight. looks to be a great season!
-nate
I wonder what will happen as the new ferrari rolls out, and freakin' williams gets thier aero package straight. looks to be a great season!
-nate
03-05-2005, 11:39 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (honda93)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">True and true!
Love Ferrari or hate Ferrari you all know he's right... Especially when the "circus" gets back on European soil. The F2005 will be the car to use as a guideline to see if McLaren, BAR, Renault, or anyone else really did improve in the 131 days since the last GP in Brasil.
*Besides, the weather played too much of a factor; this grid was a fluke IMHO. </TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly! My man Schumy got screwed by the rain. Eventhough Rubens got 2nd this is a wake up call for Ferrari. Now they will step it up big time to improve the F2005 before its debut. Schumy looked bad out there today and he was probably embarassed, he won't let that happen again, he'll be determined to come back. Montezemlo is probably pissed right now.
Anyway, I dislike Alonso and Renault. I like Fisi though. I hate Mclaren, Williams as a car is cool and I love BMW but their drivers suck. I love BAR but it looks bad right now, but its only round 1 and 18 more to go.
Go Ferrari!
Love Ferrari or hate Ferrari you all know he's right... Especially when the "circus" gets back on European soil. The F2005 will be the car to use as a guideline to see if McLaren, BAR, Renault, or anyone else really did improve in the 131 days since the last GP in Brasil.
*Besides, the weather played too much of a factor; this grid was a fluke IMHO. </TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly! My man Schumy got screwed by the rain. Eventhough Rubens got 2nd this is a wake up call for Ferrari. Now they will step it up big time to improve the F2005 before its debut. Schumy looked bad out there today and he was probably embarassed, he won't let that happen again, he'll be determined to come back. Montezemlo is probably pissed right now.
Anyway, I dislike Alonso and Renault. I like Fisi though. I hate Mclaren, Williams as a car is cool and I love BMW but their drivers suck. I love BAR but it looks bad right now, but its only round 1 and 18 more to go.
Go Ferrari!
03-06-2005, 06:29 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Mjfan12)
Thank god something other than the "red cars" won. Rubens did a good job to get his car into second. I respect schumi and his immense talent but I just don't pull for the man. Plus I am tired of watching the same ole ****. Renaults apparently are good to their tires which obviously is important now with the new rules. Interesting that MS could not work his way through the field like he could last year (like a hot knife through butter).
I saw a lot more dicing, didn't you? I hope this is something we see this year. I got tired of "passing in the pits" as a major strategy instead of on the track.
I liked that seqeunce where somebody put a move on a car, Webber came with them, it was close, and then you saw Webber trying to pass the car in front of him partially in the grass.
To Fisi. Maybe he will keep his **** together this year.
I saw a lot more dicing, didn't you? I hope this is something we see this year. I got tired of "passing in the pits" as a major strategy instead of on the track.
I liked that seqeunce where somebody put a move on a car, Webber came with them, it was close, and then you saw Webber trying to pass the car in front of him partially in the grass.
To Fisi. Maybe he will keep his **** together this year.
03-06-2005, 07:04 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Mjfan12)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mjfan12 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My man Schumy got screwed by the rain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe your boy should step his game up.
I thought it was a great race. to Red Bull and DC for almost pulling off a podium, but still finishing a respectable 4th. I gotta pull for them this year. (I need all the points I can get ) DC's been around for a while and knows his stuff. Hopefully this year he'll be back in the fight.
I'm not sure what to think about MS's performance. Agreed he didn't gain much ground at all, but who knows. Could Ferrari really be sandbagging till the F2005 comes out? Does it make much sense? No, but who knows what their strategy is. Is it a good excuse to use, to mask frustration? Absolutely.
I think it's going to be an interesting year...
Maybe your boy should step his game up.
I thought it was a great race.
to Red Bull and DC for almost pulling off a podium, but still finishing a respectable 4th. I gotta pull for them this year. (I need all the points I can get ) DC's been around for a while and knows his stuff. Hopefully this year he'll be back in the fight.I'm not sure what to think about MS's performance. Agreed he didn't gain much ground at all, but who knows. Could Ferrari really be sandbagging till the F2005 comes out? Does it make much sense? No, but who knows what their strategy is. Is it a good excuse to use, to mask frustration? Absolutely.
I think it's going to be an interesting year...
03-06-2005, 08:51 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Mr Hammond)
Can't blame Trulli for the car going backwards. When you have no rear tires, there really isn'tmuch he could've done.
The car isn't exactly economical in fuel. First in th epits really puts a dent in your chance to challenge for the podium.
Then the car just ate up the tires after he came in for the first pitstop.
I'm starting to wonder if Gascoyne is all hype.
The car isn't exactly economical in fuel. First in th epits really puts a dent in your chance to challenge for the podium.
Then the car just ate up the tires after he came in for the first pitstop.
I'm starting to wonder if Gascoyne is all hype.
03-06-2005, 11:00 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (dohcbag)
whats the new engine rule?
why is it that BAR pulled both their running cars in the last lap? they said in order to be able to run a new engine at the next race. so engines are supposed to last every race until they blow up? but if you dont score points, you might as well not finish the race? what kind of rule is that? is that like an equalizer so that the cars that finish in the points are punished to run more tired engines the next race and be less likely to even finish the race?
i dunno, these rules with the one set of tires and engines and qualifying just all seem bass aackward. the rain in first qualifying obviously mized up the field, but the tire rules certainly didnt allow any more passing or racing going on as intended. maybe its just hard to say so early after just one race, but i just dont get it...
why is it that BAR pulled both their running cars in the last lap? they said in order to be able to run a new engine at the next race. so engines are supposed to last every race until they blow up? but if you dont score points, you might as well not finish the race? what kind of rule is that? is that like an equalizer so that the cars that finish in the points are punished to run more tired engines the next race and be less likely to even finish the race?
i dunno, these rules with the one set of tires and engines and qualifying just all seem bass aackward. the rain in first qualifying obviously mized up the field, but the tire rules certainly didnt allow any more passing or racing going on as intended. maybe its just hard to say so early after just one race, but i just dont get it...
03-06-2005, 11:05 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (ITRbroham)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRbroham »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Fisi '05 World Champion"
Dude, you must be smokin' the "chronic"?
IMO, season doesn't start till the Ferrari F2005 is rolled out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't take Fisi lightly, I'd rate him at least as good as Barichello. He just hasn't had the chance to prove himself in a strong car until now.
Renault and McLaren may be able to mix it up with Ferrari this year but if Rubens was able to pull 2nd place while not qualifying well, on the 2004 spec car, then its bad news for the rest of the field. When MS qualifies where he normally does and gets the 2005 spec car he is going to stomp all over everyone else once again.
BAR is a huge disappointment, I don't know if its the departure of DR or what but they looked pathetic out there. They are going to have seriously work on their aero package. Honda needs to stop f'ing around and put real money into the program. Right now they're getting awesome bang to the buck but they're not going to challenge for wins at this rate.
Dude, you must be smokin' the "chronic"?
IMO, season doesn't start till the Ferrari F2005 is rolled out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't take Fisi lightly, I'd rate him at least as good as Barichello. He just hasn't had the chance to prove himself in a strong car until now.
Renault and McLaren may be able to mix it up with Ferrari this year but if Rubens was able to pull 2nd place while not qualifying well, on the 2004 spec car, then its bad news for the rest of the field. When MS qualifies where he normally does and gets the 2005 spec car he is going to stomp all over everyone else once again.
BAR is a huge disappointment, I don't know if its the departure of DR or what but they looked pathetic out there. They are going to have seriously work on their aero package. Honda needs to stop f'ing around and put real money into the program. Right now they're getting awesome bang to the buck but they're not going to challenge for wins at this rate.
03-06-2005, 11:25 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (JMU R1)
The announcers brought up something amazing. The powerband of some of these motors seems to go from 7k rpm and on. 11,000 rpm of usable power!
03-06-2005, 01:38 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats the new engine rule?
why is it that BAR pulled both their running cars in the last lap? </TD></TR></TABLE>
They exploited a loophole in the rules. I read it at:
http://f1.racing-live.com
why is it that BAR pulled both their running cars in the last lap? </TD></TR></TABLE>
They exploited a loophole in the rules. I read it at:
http://f1.racing-live.com
03-06-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (JMU R1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMU R1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Honda needs to stop f'ing around and put real money into the program. Right now they're getting awesome bang to the buck but they're not going to challenge for wins at this rate. </TD></TR></TABLE>
From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special)
* Toyota: $368.5 million
* BAR Honda: $309.8 million
* Minardi: $46.57 million
Of Honda's 1/3 of a billion investment...
$165 million is for engine development
$10.4 million is for windtunnel time
$16.99 million goes to R&D
$36 million goes into testing
I can post more figures if anybody is interested.
I'd say Honda is putting "real" money into this sport.
From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special)
* Toyota: $368.5 million
* BAR Honda: $309.8 million
* Minardi: $46.57 million
Of Honda's 1/3 of a billion investment...
$165 million is for engine development
$10.4 million is for windtunnel time
$16.99 million goes to R&D
$36 million goes into testing
I can post more figures if anybody is interested.
I'd say Honda is putting "real" money into this sport.
03-06-2005, 02:45 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (honda93)
Ah thanks for the info. The last I had seen the Honda F1 budget it was around $200 million (I think it was before the 2004 season).
Well, in that case some heads need to be cracked, these results are APPALLING! It ws just the first race but it still didn't look very good for the Red H. I'm looking forward to what the Honda F1 tech personnel have to say this week.
Well, in that case some heads need to be cracked, these results are APPALLING! It ws just the first race but it still didn't look very good for the Red H. I'm looking forward to what the Honda F1 tech personnel have to say this week.
03-06-2005, 03:14 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (ITACivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITACivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
They exploited a loophole in the rules. I read it at:
http://f1.racing-live.com </TD></TR></TABLE>
right, they obviously did exploit something. so the rule is apparently has to last 2 races, but like the article said, "the writing is on the wall, if youre not in points, pit." seems dumb.
They exploited a loophole in the rules. I read it at:
http://f1.racing-live.com </TD></TR></TABLE>
right, they obviously did exploit something. so the rule is apparently has to last 2 races, but like the article said, "the writing is on the wall, if youre not in points, pit." seems dumb.
03-06-2005, 03:16 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Tyson)
I thought you had to be taken out of the race for a legitimate reason, even if it wasn't engine related. For instance, suspension or severe aerodynamic damage.
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you cant gauge how well any team will do at this point. The weather completely jumbled up the competition to the point where we have no idea who should of really won.
I just hope BAR can pull their **** together within the next 2 weeks
I just hope BAR can pull their **** together within the next 2 weeks
03-06-2005, 05:46 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (honda93)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special)
* Toyota: $368.5 million
* BAR Honda: $309.8 million
* Minardi: $46.57 million
Of Honda's 1/3 of a billion investment...
$165 million is for engine development
$10.4 million is for windtunnel time
$16.99 million goes to R&D
$36 million goes into testing
I can post more figures if anybody is interested.
I'd say Honda is putting "real" money into this sport. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow, where you getting these numbers from?
From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special)
* Toyota: $368.5 million
* BAR Honda: $309.8 million
* Minardi: $46.57 million
Of Honda's 1/3 of a billion investment...
$165 million is for engine development
$10.4 million is for windtunnel time
$16.99 million goes to R&D
$36 million goes into testing
I can post more figures if anybody is interested.
I'd say Honda is putting "real" money into this sport.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Wow, where you getting these numbers from?
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Master23)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Master23 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Wow, where you getting these numbers from?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special)</TD></TR></TABLE>
its the first thing he said for god sakes
Wow, where you getting these numbers from?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special)</TD></TR></TABLE>
its the first thing he said for god sakes
03-06-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Master23)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Master23 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, where you getting these numbers from?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special) </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboDaveR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> its the first thing he said for god sakes </TD></TR></TABLE>
Someone needs to go to bed early tonight. (Referring to Master23)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From the February 10, 2005 issue of Autosport (F1 Season preview special) </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboDaveR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> its the first thing he said for god sakes </TD></TR></TABLE>
Someone needs to go to bed early tonight. (Referring to Master23)
03-07-2005, 07:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboDaveR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you cant gauge how well any team will do at this point. The weather completely jumbled up the competition to the point where we have no idea who should of really won.
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Fastest laps is a good measure:
1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 24 14:43:06 222.807 1:25.683
2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 55 15:28:42 222.001 1:25.994
3 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 54 15:27:21 221.386 1:26.233
4 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 55 15:29:22 221.329 1:26.255
5 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 55 15:29:50 221.316 1:26.260
6 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 38 15:04:15 221.314 1:26.261
7 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 41 15:08:11 220.976 1:26.393
8 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 37 15:02:17 220.720 1:26.493
9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 56 15:31:39 220.611 1:26.536
10 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 39 15:05:33 220.379 1:26.627
11 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 40 15:06:40 220.219 1:26.690
12 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 38 15:04:07 219.803 1:26.854
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 55 15:29:46 219.704 1:26.893
14 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 56 15:31:11 219.142 1:27.116
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 54 15:28:57 217.571 1:27.745
16 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 36 15:01:41 217.244 1:27.877
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 36 15:02:13 217.014 1:27.970
18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 16 14:31:49 214.505 1:28.999
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 22 14:42:43 205.604 1:32.852
20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 11 14:24:56 204.960 1:33.144
IMHO, this is a pretty good gauge of where the teams' performance is right now.
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Fastest laps is a good measure:
1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 24 14:43:06 222.807 1:25.683
2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 55 15:28:42 222.001 1:25.994
3 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 54 15:27:21 221.386 1:26.233
4 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 55 15:29:22 221.329 1:26.255
5 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 55 15:29:50 221.316 1:26.260
6 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 38 15:04:15 221.314 1:26.261
7 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 41 15:08:11 220.976 1:26.393
8 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 37 15:02:17 220.720 1:26.493
9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 56 15:31:39 220.611 1:26.536
10 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 39 15:05:33 220.379 1:26.627
11 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 40 15:06:40 220.219 1:26.690
12 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 38 15:04:07 219.803 1:26.854
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 55 15:29:46 219.704 1:26.893
14 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 56 15:31:11 219.142 1:27.116
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 54 15:28:57 217.571 1:27.745
16 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 36 15:01:41 217.244 1:27.877
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 36 15:02:13 217.014 1:27.970
18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 16 14:31:49 214.505 1:28.999
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 22 14:42:43 205.604 1:32.852
20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 11 14:24:56 204.960 1:33.144
IMHO, this is a pretty good gauge of where the teams' performance is right now.
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Fastest laps definately is a good measure! Look at the top 7 - Renault, Ferrari, McLaren, and BAR. Exactly what you would expect.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedracer33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fastest laps definately is a good measure! Look at the top 7 - Renault, Ferrari, McLaren, and BAR. Exactly what you would expect.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly...plus, it shows that guys like Raikkonen, Schuey, and Button were a lot faster than their finishing positions showed....
Exactly...plus, it shows that guys like Raikkonen, Schuey, and Button were a lot faster than their finishing positions showed....
03-07-2005, 07:58 AM
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Wow, positions 4-6 are within thousands of seconds. That's fairly close! Still looks like BAR has to find some pace to close to Renault.
Read that the new BAR was very unstable following cars but on it's own was quick. Anybody else read that?
Read that the new BAR was very unstable following cars but on it's own was quick. Anybody else read that?