Meoshe

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I have been talking to the owner of ExtremeSpeedTrackEvents.com and he has stated they will start a Integra/Civic challenge. They have a 350z and Evo challenge going already and would also start other make specific challenges if there is enough interest. So this is the information I have received from them about the dates, prices depend on the venue.

"The premise of "our" track days is to have a fun, relaxed style competition. We will be keeping the events exclusively affordable which sets us apart from the competition and is what Extreme Speed is all about!

Competition Dates: (This will be updated with discount codes, track configurations or any changes in dates)
Round#1)* April 2nd (Saturday) --Concluded
Round #2)* May 15, 2011 (Sunday) --Concluded
Round #3)* June 12, 2011 (Sunday) --Concluded
Round #4)* July 10, 2011 (Sunday) --Concluded

Round #5)* August 28, 2011 (Sunday) --* Streets of Willow Springs Sign up soon, spots filling up fast.

Round #6)* November 27, 2011 (Sunday) --* Streets of Willow Springs
Round #7)* December 18, 2011 (Sunday) --* Big Willow

Prizes for Street/Modified (year end prizes/sponsors TBD)
1st Place: Trophy & Extreme Speed tshirt
2nd Place: Trophy & Extreme Speed tshirt
3rd Place: Trophy & Extreme Speed tshirt

Points
1st - 10
2nd - 8
3rd - 6
4th - 5
5th - 4
6th - 3
7th - 2
8th – 1

Prices for Track Events available at ExtremeSpeedTrackEvents.com"

Here are the rules they have agreed to for now, they are willing to change them if they feel that us as a community can tailor them to keep it friendly and simple enough for Hpde participants to be able to compete.

Forethought: This is open to Integras and Civics for 2 reasons.
1. Integras and Civics are very similar in handling performance (specially with the tuner crowd)
2. First time a FWD challenge has been set up with ExtremeSpeed so they are not sure what kind of numbers they can get to sign up, if they end up getting plenty of entries they will possibly do a separate challenges.

Street Class Requirements:

140+ twr tires (100+ for sohc)
Shocks, Springs, One way Adjustable Coilovers, Camber kits and Sway bars allowed (No spherical or solid metal type bushings/No reservoir type or premium coilovers)
No splitters, Rear Diffusers or Aero dynamic aides allowed
Only Bolt-ons allowed – Intake, exhaust (Headers allowed for sohc)
Full interior and seats required (Racing seats allowed/Gutted allowed for sohc)
Carbon/Fiberglass hood only allowed (No hatch/trunk replacements)
No Ecu tuning allowed, piggy back or otherwise
No K-swaps Allowed
No Internal Machine work/ No built motors
Roll Cages allowed (No adjustable point bolt-in cages)

Modified Class Requirements:

100+ twr tires only ( DOT R comps for sohc)
Shocks, Springs, 2 way Adjustable Coilovers, Camber kits and Sway bars allowed (No spherical or solid metal type bushings/No reservoir type coilovers)
Intake, Header, Exhaust Allowed (Staight pipe, Aftermarket IM for sohc)
Back half interior removal ok, Both front seats installed (Racing seats ok)
Carbon/Fiberglass Hood only allowed (No hatch/trunk replacements)
Ecu tuning allowed
No K-swaps Allowed
No Internal Machine work/ No built motors
Roll Cages allowed (No adjustable point bolt-in cages)

Unlimited Class Requirements:

DOT R Compounds allowed
Splitters, Rear Diffusers, Aerodynamic aides allowed
All Coilovers allowed, Spherical/Solid metal bushings allowed
Forced induction allowed
Built motors allowed
Gutted interior allowed
Carbon/Fiberglass hood and hatch/trunks allowed
Ecu tuning allowed
K-swaps allowed
Internal machine work/ Built motors allowed
Roll Cages allowed (No adjustable point bolt-in cages)

*The classes are a baseline at this point since the series has not begun and might change based on the input of the community to accommodate more entries. Feel free to ask questions, make helpful suggestions.

lwnslw

I'm not an expert but using the Honda challenge title for this will conflict with NASA 's Honda challenge I would think

Meoshe

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Thanks for the heads up

KIWI

I don't think it will conflict-
I doubt that NASA has a copyright on the word "Challenge" and it certainly doesn't own the word "HONDA"
So as long as the Words "Extreme Speed Honda Challenge" are used most right minded people will know which series is which.
Personally I doubt it will get much support- NASA Honda Challenge guys probably wont support it, H1 & H2 Don't fit the rules. And considering the rules for the new MotoIQ series are far more realistic, and geared around modern technology in Suspension, Aero, and Gearing, most other cars that I know of are being built with MotoIQ in mind. I know I am...

Kiwi

dirty19

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Id have to agree with Jeff... Your rules dont interchange with ours.
Might be able to get some of the time attackers that use hondas, but doubt NASA HC would give it a second look.

Might want to change the name from extreme speed honda challenge to something less already used!
Thats like piggy backing off someone elses name and IMO isnt cool.
Be original not copying.. Make it work off its own merits not in conjunction with something already done.

Meoshe

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I think they tossed honda challenge out there because they wanted to open it to integra, civic, rsx models. This is meant to be a "run what you brung" time attack styled challenge hence the weird rules, it is geared towards HPDE'rs like myself that have dailys but want a little competition in the mix. I have talked to the owner of extreme speed and he was willing to start something like the 350z challenge which is relaxed and fun with competition tossed in.

KIWI

I'm all for having as many places to play as possible-
And if you're going to have a "Run what you brung" event, Why not do just that!
Don't concern yourself with rules until you have had a couple of events, then take a look at the cross section of entries you get, then start asking your own competitors what they want.
If a good number they turn up, rather than being turned off by the rules... and if they have fun it doesnt really matter what the rules are! After a few events the natural law of competition/ Skill and $$$$ spent will show you which cars should be in which class.
I think an event like this would be fun for the odd track day a year guy, and great for the serious (series) racer to use for testing and extra seat time where there is the chance for everyone to adjust to competing with slower and faster traffic, Surely the best way to hone the skills of both the experienced, and inexperienced drivers?

Kiwi

Meoshe

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I think the owner didn't want guys to be turned off by being paired with wrx, evo, 350, s2000 etc.. so they want a integra/ civic group so it doesn't intimidate hpde guys. I can see where they might see rules and shy away but the rules seem pretty lax but keep the fast guys in their own group. This is being done on lapping days so I dont think it will be very intense competition. I will see what the owner thinks of points brought up. He mentioned rules could be modified to accommodate more people, so we will see if they change anything.

Reyes

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Hey Guys,
I dont mean to cross any lines here but a HPDE civic/integra challenge is already happening.

I have been working with the guys at speedventures to create an almost identical series.
We are using a points system to create the 4 classes. similar to the S2K and Miata challenges.

Its called the HFF Challenge.
We have already had a multiple shakedown events to work out some minor kinks with the rules. Our first event this year had 20+ cars and we are lining up some great sponsors to help generate some more interest and prizes for the drivers.

I wont go into great detail here since this isn't my thread. But for whatever its worth i thought i would put it out there.
The reason i haven't posted info on our series is because we have been working to finalize the rules and wanted them to be final before we posted them up.

I will try to post up info ASAP.
-Jared

dirty19

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More than one series....? I have to admit there are some options out there.

slammed_93_hatch

Jeff is correct, NASA can't trademark the term/phrase "honda challenge", as Honda belongs to some one else.

Also "honda challenge" has been the name of a Tennis Tournament that Honda sponsors for years now, well it was during the mid 90s to around 05ish the last time i looked.

sohckid00

so you would be adding the rsx's and all of the newest models? hmm i would be interested.

Meoshe

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Yes for now they are adding all models together, until the first few shakedowns and things start to pan out. For additional info you can go to their website or pm me, if not hope to see you there the April 2nd.

Kris

I love the idea of adding competition to these hpde's.

Meoshe

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Yes! it keeps it fun and friendly and no additional charges from the track fees

Meoshe

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Streets of Willow event march 11th for 350z series and Evo series, we will see how they organize that.

577HondaPrelude

these new competitions are w2w racing, or time trials?

Gearspeed-Performance

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I am glad to see all these different racing series in the works! Seems like things may be slowly picking up for all of us and we can get back to how things used to be before the huge economical slump. Keep us all posted!

Meoshe

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They are time trials, run on hpde days. So let's say you sign up for the 12th and you run a Civic or Integra, you have the option to be in the series for no extra charges.

spAdam

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Nice. Would like to see this take off on the east coast.

known

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i hate living in fl sometimes...well ok pretty much all the time.

spAdam

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Yeah if I wasn't incarcerated here by UCF and property values I'd most likely dip west.

It has its good points though I guess.

Tarmac Junkie

I like the format, but I think the street class is a bit too tight on mods. I mean no header for a b series motor? Most all cars will have one. If that is what might bump you to a R-compound tire, I think it will kill a lot of potential people that might be interested. And im not sure what this means

"Roll Cages allowed (No adjustable point bolt-in cages)"

So no bolt in cages?

John

spAdam

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I think that rule needs to be clarified... pretty sure that they meant to exclude the Cusco/Safety21 deathtraps...

Meoshe

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That is correct, but bolt in roll cages are fine. As far as the header issue if it really is common and bumps people into street modified and they can't compete then it might be changed. As of right now they are waiting for the first event to come about and they will change rules as necessary to keep things competitive.