EG6Panda

Looking for a bolt in roll cage for my EG6. I've been looking to go with Cusco. Any suggestions on other options? I don't want to weld and prefer a bolt in cage.

dirty19

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What in gods name is that thing behind those seats?
It looks like a harness bar? ya don't want one of those ever.
I'm sure this is why you are asking about roll cages.
Helpful hint Go to Google Type Roll Cages-Honda-tech.
You will have a plethora of bolt in options to read about and make an informed decision on.
Another question.. why do you have the turn signal indicator on a stripped down trackish car?

EG6Panda

Car is still a work in progress. Thanks for your feedback.

2LEM1

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The only bolt in cages I'm aware of for the EG6 are -

Autopower

Cusco

Carbing

ASC Speedmetal

Jegs

Whitfield


There may be more, but if there is I forgot about them.

redlinetuning

If you are really looking for a track certified or approved cage, Autopower has a solid platform. As for Cusco, I know that a lot of sanctioned organizers do not approve of the Cusco design. You need to check for the other manufacturers. I know for sure that Autopower has SCCA/NASA certifications for specific models of their role bars and cages.

chad

KIRK RACING IS THE ONLY THING BOLT IN I"D PUT IN MY CAR

chad

TheShodan

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How informative...Would you mind please elaborating about this entity for those who are not in "the know"?

RR98ITR

If memory serves, Chad "proved one out".

Scott, who thinks that you can take every precaution and still end up going thru the cheeze grater...you accept that or you don't do it...

2LEM1

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Can you name one?

Just a single one would be fine.

RR98ITR

A quick glance at the Cusco USA site will show you that their D1 bolt in cage is an appearance accessory only and so only a douchebag would install one in their own or anyone else's car. None of the permutations of their Safety-21 model FIA bolt in cage look to have a main hoop diagonal and are hence not compliant with SCCA rules for production based touring type cars.

Scott, who thinks the newer the car (ie the more crash safety engineered into the structure) the less important the cage...that said if you're gonna do it do it right - especially with respect to side impact protection...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9n9pGQxHP8

TheShodan

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Shodan... Who has no idea what the hell any of what you said is even related to.

RR98ITR

... Chad had Kirk cage...Chad had Big Crash...Chad live...Chad look hard at remains of car and cage...Chad maybe surprised he live...Chad give Kirk much credit...Chad want others live too...

Scott, who isn't sure he's got all the details correct...details like was it even Chad...but the takeaway would be the same...

2LEM1

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Can you point out where Cusco printed "this is an appearance accessory and only douchbags would install this" on their website? I seem to be missing it.


Just FYI, you're using that word wrong.

SCCA rules require a diagonal bar off the main hoop? News to me.

RR98ITR

I don't know what to say...I was looking at the D1 cage, reading their verbiage, and That's what was in my mind - did that Not come in thru my eyes?


Which word douchebag? Uh-oh, that came out wrong...Which word? Douchebag?


I'll admit my GCR (which I double checked prior to posting) is a few years old, but there's No Whey they have deleted that.

Scott, who used to fly thru the air and impact the ground with his body directly...I really prefer being belted within two concentric safety structures...

TheShodan

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Umm.. Yeah.. Roger that.

Josh R.

Cusco D1 "rollcages" do not meet SCCA or NASA requirements, and even if they technically did I wouldn't use one. They don't even look "right." If I remember correctly, the JEGS kit is weld-in and made to meet NHRA (?) standards. I think both the Kirk and Autopower kits are fine and know people who use both in competition (SCCA & NASA Time Trials). What I found when I was considering buying the Autopower bolt-in roll bar was that by the time I added the main hoop diagonal (yes, as required, see below) and the freight shipping it cost the same amount of money as having a professionally built custom roll bar installed, so I went that route. It was certainly cheaper than the cheapest Cusco D1 too.

From the SCCA GCR:
9.4. ROLL CAGES FOR GT AND PRODUCTION BASED CARS
B. MAIN HOOP
2. Main Hoop Bracing a. Main hoops shall incorporate a diagonal brace. The brace shall either be in the plane of the main hoop, or extend from the top of one rear brace (described in 9.4.B.2.c) to the bottom of the opposite rear brace. Automobiles with mid mounted engines can have the lower mounting point attach to the frame of the automobile within six inches of the main hoop. In the case of braces in the plane of the main hoop, the brace must span at least 50% of the width of the main hoop, and at least 75% of the height of the main hoop as shown in figure 12.

Link to SCCA GCR, roll protection starts on page 108:
http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1472053873

2LEM1

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Interesting. I thought for sure the Autowpower street bar was legal, and there's no diagonal bar on that.

Like I said, news to me.

RR98ITR

What Josh said about the relative cost of bolt in cages vs pro/custom is good. If you just want a 4-point roll bar for track days then any good retail bolt in is fine. About the time you need a cage (because you're going to race the car) you really should find the best local fabricator you can (who has experience building SCCA compliant cages and has a good business reputation).

One little detail thing about cages - the rearward braces from the main hoop must run to the spring/shock upper mount areas and NOT all the way back to near the rear bumper mounts. The rear of the car (especially a front wheel drive car with the gas tank ahead of the rear axle line) is a crush structure - let it do it's job. I mention this because I've seen this done wrong and I wonder what the hell they were thinking (they probably Were thinking but just Wrongly).

Scott, whose cage was built by a formula and sports racer fabricator and while good enough could have been better...so look at lots of cages, think yours thru thoroughly, don't skimp - pay what it costs, and travel if you have to...

Josh R.

Yes, good point to bring up when considering between Kirk and Autopower. Autopower goes to the wheel well and the Kirk goes to the hatch floor (or it used to). It's been debated by two local EG guys, one with each brand, which way is the better way. I'm like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I honestly think for non wheel-to-wheel events either is fine. W2W becomes a different story and I agree with you.

redlinetuning

SCCA.. is that good enough?

the Autopower Race rollbar is approved. The one with the removable diagonal bar is approved for certain events.

NASA rulebooks also mention certain restrictions.

For the most part, the cusco bar is not approved because it does not have the diagonal bar in the main hoop and the A-pillar bar has a dual bend in down-tube. You can find such information by doing a Google search for NASA or SCCA rule book, or safety regulations. I've done some research, I don't know it all, but I have read bits and pieces of the rulebooks prior to purchasing the Autopower rollbar for my car and installing it.

flip_nl

I have a OMP bolt in rollcage, does require welding, I hate it , cantfit properly with 6"3.