RangerGuy

eevrytime i mention them, someone sneers.......why the hell is that? my bud has a 91 teggie and he is contemplating swappin out his b18b for another one. i am tryin to convince him it is the perfect time to upgrade. is the b16 swap that crappy?

someone once mentioned that it is because the b16 doesnt have **** for torque?

lata.........yO

chris

under_psi

some pics of a friends car...








a 1st gen B16A swap into a 90-91 integra is a great swap with a lot of potential, not to mention that it is a 100% drop in swap...no headaches at all!!

RangerGuy

nice pics...........so the swap has some potential huh? any good points i can use to sell him on the idea?

i did not know that a 2nd gen b16 would drop straight in? interesting.

thanks bud

chris

Red00SI

Im not for sure, but maybe people just throw a Vtec head on the blocks they already have? Thats what I'd do if I had an LS.

under_psi

1st gen B16A comes with a cable tranny and is non-OBD...as long as his car is 90-91 integra(RS,LS,GS..2dr, 4dr) and 5spd then it drops right in. he even uses his stock shift linkage and axles and can even use his stock distributor, tranny(although an sir tranny would be better with the short gearing) and clutch, etc...a lot of the parts are interchangeable.

under_psi

you can't just "throw" a vtec head on a LS block...to build an ls/vtec the right way will cost more cash then just dropping in a 1st gen B16A.

I won't go into details of the ls/vtec conversion because that's another topic all together...do a search!!!

besides, any "B" series vtec cams will fit the 1st gen B16A including "the big boys" such as todas, etc..

SactownXSi

Ihad both the stock LS and A B16 in my 91 Integra...if I could do it all over I'd get the B16 tranny and keep the LS motor.
The B16 is not enough off the line for me in an Integra.
But I loved it after 1st gear.

-Nick

under_psi

shorter gearing + 7000 redline just doesn't cut it.

it's true that the torque difference is deffinetly noticible between the B18A and B16A but put it this way, red line 1st and every other gear will be between 6000rpm and 8000rpm(right in the sweet spot)...

also the B16A has a huge aftermarket and making it fast is very easy.

the 4door LS pictured above ran a best of 16.2 @ 82mph with the B18A and AEM intake(everything else stock including a decade+ old stock cat convertor) and ran a 15.6 @ 89.9mph with the exact same mod(just AEM CAI) and the B16A. the difference is not huge but it is a performance increase...plus ItS gOtS VtEc yO!!

notice the drag strip in the backround

honduhmatic

Hope you aren't offended by my saying so... but doesn't the performance-per-$$$ of that swap sorta cheese you?

I didn't intend for that to be a flame... but bolt-ons probably coulda got you to mid-15s with the B18A, right?

90accord1

you can get a 2nd gen b16 out of a 92 teg if your lucky. as in my case i did an auto to manual for a friend on his 92 teg special edition. the only problem was the passenger side tranny mount since it differs from the manual mount. either way you can dump the 1st gen in no problem with a few additions into the 92-93 tegs.

TedR719

My g/f has a 90 RS Intergra. So you guys are saying the 1st gen B16 motors will bolt right in? Just have to wire for vtec I assume?

If she does that I can build her bottom end and have a LS/VTEC

brian.edge

sorry guy thoes motors were called B17 and yes this motor will work also in your friends car. and its outta a 92-93 da integra gsr, it has 160hp with 120lbs of torque. it is hard to find but they are nice to have...i picked up my complete swap at a place here in tennesse called http://www.evanshondaspecialst.com give them a call and ask for chuck.


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owen_the_soyboy

NO.... it wont.


I think you missed this part under his pics in the first post...
THE FIRST GEN B16 DROPS IN. second gen does not... unless you get a super rare special edition 1992 B16 swaparoo.

under_psi

we picked up the 1st gen B16A swap for 1200$ canadian or around $800 US...that included engine/tranny/ecu and all the mounts.
we used the stock integra axles and shift linkage and wires for vtec, knock sensor and secondary O2 sensor had to be added.

considering the price of this swap, the performance benefits are deffinetly worth the cash...besides, most 90-91 integras have VERY high clicks.

and best of all: iTs GoTs VtEc yO!!!!!

brinks

that swap is not popular? The b16 is a perfect replacement motor for the g2, the way they were meant to be.

daver

Well, i've spent a lot of time reading the g2 integra board and i've seen lots of opinions on that engine swap and from that i've formed my own thoughts.

I think the big thrill of this swap for the g2's (especially the obd0's) was that the high click ls's needed a replacement and the first gen b16's are a dime a dozen, they bolt right in tranny and all and it has "vtec" and "!!!160!!" hp.

However, most people said that they only got slightly better times over their old engine, and some even said slower. The censensus was, i think, that the b16's were slower than the ls's up til 3rd gear, where they made their move (if they did), which makes sense.

In my opinion, the integra is too heavy a car for that engine for a daily driver. it certainly can make the car fast as its an absolutely perfect performing engine with is perfect geometry and aftermarket power potential, but is better realized in a 2200lbs+- hatch i think, and you'll still have to rev it.

Its easy to make hp but hard to make more tork as it is pretty much displacement dependant (except for FI). HP is what sells cars, but tork is what moves them tho; Honda's trick is "where" they make the tork.

b20 is the way i'm going for sure. It may cost a little more and there will be no "new" tranny and the dist., fuel injectors and alternator (i hear) won't work, but it'll be worth it. Especially considering some of the 140whp dynos i've been seeing on these engines (160fly)...

d

owen_the_soyboy

cant these guys with gen2 LS's use their stock B18 block as a basis for rebuilding it into a LS/vtec monster?
say, install full 1st gen B16 swap. keep old LS block, send to shop for full beefin' up on the bottom end, maybe increase piston diameter a bit.. then go LS/vtec?

anyone do that?

reason I ask is because a friend of mine has a 1991 LS and the motor has almost 200k miles. cant he do a B16 swap for whatever, $1500. but also spend a $1000 on the LS block rebuild to later go LS/vtec?
hahhaaaaa, is that a "good" idea?

Katman

*sneer* jk..

Well in Japan, they sold the DA integra with a B16.
Why they didn't do that here is mind boggling, but it's probably due to how Americans want more torque/power. So Honda used a B18A (torquey) engine instead of a B16A (little or no torque).

under_psi

who ever thinks that a 90-91 B18A is faster in a DA then a 1st gen B16A has issues...a first gen B16A will even outperforme the 92-93 B18A w/140hp and is only 6lb/ft torque away from the 92/93 GSR(160hp and 117lb/ft)...and for the price, you deffinetly can't go wrong.

just keep your B18A, get oversized ITR pistons(.25 over) and either shot peen+arp rod bolts the stck rods or aftermarket rods(I would just go with eagle rods), get a Z10 block girdle and build an LS/VTEC whenever $$$ allows...

1st gen B16A in a DA

who ever tells you other wise

SamB16

I could not have been happier with my B16 in my Teggie....past 6500 rpm with the R cams it would get downright scary, even with stock exhaust on it.





This her after the fire

brian.edge

so what happened to start the fire?????
if it makes you feel any better it looked very good before hand....i really like the integra se wheels on their, i wish i could find some for my 90si....

slammed_93_hatch

the b16a came in the JDM integra it was an XSI. get the b18c GSR motor or better for tegs just my opion though

Ronn

Could someone give me detailed instructions on how to add the 4 wires to my current 90 integra harness inorder to do my jdmb16a1 swap? After looking at the excel spreadsheets, I am still not clear on how I am supposed to add the extra 4 wires.

thanks a lot!

brian.edge

if you check in the new sport compact car on pages 266 and 268 it will answer your questions....


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