In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C
05-19-2003, 03:01 PM
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In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C
What up Honda-Tech members,
I'm in the mist of getting my engine swap, but I still can't decide wether to get a H22 or B18C. This swap is for my self indulgence as well as my daily driver. I'm planning to do some autocross on occasion. I've been doing search all day and still can't seem to make up my mind. Can anyone give some pros and cons of a EG with a B18C and one with a H22. By the way, I drive a 95 Civic Si. Thanks
I'm in the mist of getting my engine swap, but I still can't decide wether to get a H22 or B18C. This swap is for my self indulgence as well as my daily driver. I'm planning to do some autocross on occasion. I've been doing search all day and still can't seem to make up my mind. Can anyone give some pros and cons of a EG with a B18C and one with a H22. By the way, I drive a 95 Civic Si. Thanks
05-19-2003, 08:36 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (hot_EH)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hot_EH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get a b18c.
Seriously. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I 2nd 3rd and 4th that...all day long......
Seriously. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I 2nd 3rd and 4th that...all day long......
05-19-2003, 08:37 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (BlazinSi91)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlazinSi91 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was looking for something that will smoke domestics? do u think i can achieve this with a B18C?</TD></TR></TABLE>
A guy around where I live got a JDM b18c (type r) and we put it in his hatch and its super strong...all stock....it was a pretty easy swap to do also...
A guy around where I live got a JDM b18c (type r) and we put it in his hatch and its super strong...all stock....it was a pretty easy swap to do also...
05-19-2003, 10:41 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (civicsitek)
i'm trying to find something cheap.. that's why my choices are H22 and B18C1.. my fault i didn't state that earlier.. i was interested in a JDM GSR.. someone who had a JDM GSR around the bay area was pushing about 200 hp to the wheels.. that's with internals or something i forgot.. i heard about how H22 swaps aren't as bad as people say.. so yeah.. that's pretty much my dilema.. i live in the ghetto where i'm surrounded by Domestics. i would like to smoke them like a bleezy..
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05-19-2003, 10:49 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (BlazinSi91)
We have both a JDM GSR LSD complete swap in stock and a JDM H22 swap in stock 
But from experience with both setups, behind the wheel, the stock H22 is a very noticable difference over the JDM GSR setup..... stock vs. stock. But then the H22 is a more involved swap than the GSR swap, as that is just drop and pretty much all plug & play. The H22 swap requires a mount kit and some misc parts to make it work & run right, adding up to $1000 or less. Other thing that you'll notice is that the JDM GSR LSD swap is a good $1000 more than a JDM H22 swap (not for just us, but other places as well) so that should give you a little more of an idea what kind of costs you can be looking at.
But from experience with both setups, behind the wheel, the stock H22 is a very noticable difference over the JDM GSR setup..... stock vs. stock. But then the H22 is a more involved swap than the GSR swap, as that is just drop and pretty much all plug & play. The H22 swap requires a mount kit and some misc parts to make it work & run right, adding up to $1000 or less. Other thing that you'll notice is that the JDM GSR LSD swap is a good $1000 more than a JDM H22 swap (not for just us, but other places as well) so that should give you a little more of an idea what kind of costs you can be looking at.
05-20-2003, 02:08 PM
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I'm going with an H22 in my EG. I heard about all the problems that are a possibility, but it seems that alot of people on this board with H22 EGs are doing well with their swaps. They love the extra torque of the H22. I just want to be able to mash the gas and get movin without revvin to 7 grand. It was a little tough to sway me to H22 from a B18b or c, but I think I'll be fine. When I get my swap done I'll be posting what I think of it too. I have zero actual experience with either one, but I'm going H22. 
Don't get me wrong, the B18c is a great engine. I just chose H22 for my car. I felt like being a little different and I like torque!
Don't get me wrong, the B18c is a great engine. I just chose H22 for my car. I felt like being a little different and I like torque!
my Eg/GSR Hybrid
05-20-2003, 02:25 PM
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Re: (BlazinSi91)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlazinSi91 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cool thanks ya'll.. i guess i'll be my baby a JDM GSR heart transplant..</TD></TR></TABLE>
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the GSR swap but why are you choosing it?
The swap isn't terribly difficult.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the GSR swap but why are you choosing it?
The swap isn't terribly difficult.
05-20-2003, 03:47 PM
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Re: (sappsycho)
I voted for b18c but I DO HAVE a H22 civic hb myself so do 3 of my friends. Just take off the balance shaft belt, ad a lightened flywheel and good intake and exhaust system and you'll rip.....it just isnt that easy to get it all in and working compared to the b series
05-20-2003, 04:04 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (BlazinSi91)
Both setups will put a on your face. I vote B18C1 basically for ease of install and overall drivability (zips up his flame suit 
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on your face. I vote B18C1 basically for ease of install and overall drivability (zips up his flame suit )
05-20-2003, 04:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeprCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm going with an H22 in my EG. I heard about all the problems that are a possibility, but it seems that alot of people on this board with H22 EGs are doing well with their swaps. They love the extra torque of the H22. I just want to be able to mash the gas and get movin without revvin to 7 grand. It was a little tough to sway me to H22 from a B18b or c, but I think I'll be fine. When I get my swap done I'll be posting what I think of it too. I have zero actual experience with either one, but I'm going H22. Don't get me wrong, the B18c is a great engine. I just chose H22 for my car. I felt like being a little different and I like torque!</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds good. when are u planning to swap? i was interested in a H22 because of the torque too. i kinda want something that will snap my neck back. i'm also a fan of domestics too and i like the torque domestics bring.
Don't get me wrong, the B18c is a great engine. I just chose H22 for my car. I felt like being a little different and I like torque!</TD></TR></TABLE>sounds good. when are u planning to swap? i was interested in a H22 because of the torque too. i kinda want something that will snap my neck back. i'm also a fan of domestics too and i like the torque domestics bring.
05-20-2003, 04:49 PM
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I dont know everything about swaps (currently) but I know H22s and i know they stomp on GSRs stock to stock.....the swaps seem camparably priced, but I guarantee that if someone were to say put cams and bolt on on each engine they would be happier with the H22, the extra torque is nice and vtec is way way nicer....just get the h22, slap on some cams and nitrous and you have a badass dual purpose reliable car.....the extra effort will probably be worth it....
05-20-2003, 04:52 PM
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Another thing about torque......h22 will hit 200 ft lbs pretty easy (with the gas). I did it with a 35 shot, I can only imagine that the hatch with n20 h22 will be straight crazy....
05-20-2003, 04:54 PM
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Re: (sappsycho)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sappsycho »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the GSR swap but why are you choosing it?
The swap isn't terribly difficult.
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i am leaning towards a JDM GSR because i seen someone at a dyno meet awhile back making around 200 hp to the wheels. that caught my attention. but i'm caught in the middle again because i want the torque that the H22 brings. from the researched that i've been doing, i noticed that the H22 is cheaper than the B18c but then it'll cost me about 1000 bucks more for additional products for the swap to fit properly in my car. so i guess the cost for either swaps will be similar.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the GSR swap but why are you choosing it?
The swap isn't terribly difficult.
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i am leaning towards a JDM GSR because i seen someone at a dyno meet awhile back making around 200 hp to the wheels. that caught my attention. but i'm caught in the middle again because i want the torque that the H22 brings. from the researched that i've been doing, i noticed that the H22 is cheaper than the B18c but then it'll cost me about 1000 bucks more for additional products for the swap to fit properly in my car. so i guess the cost for either swaps will be similar.
05-20-2003, 04:55 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (VTECVillain)
Both engines are great for that car. I'd have to vote on B18C because of the fewer wiring you will come across compared to the h22(flame suit on ) regardless of what engine you choice just make sure you get the optional LSD since it's cheaper then getting a aftermarket one like quaife which will set you back $800+labor where if you get the lsd with the engine, most shops will only charge you $200-$400 for it.
) regardless of what engine you choice just make sure you get the optional LSD since it's cheaper then getting a aftermarket one like quaife which will set you back $800+labor where if you get the lsd with the engine, most shops will only charge you $200-$400 for it.
05-20-2003, 04:58 PM
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NXLude..
Damn that sounds hella nice, but I don't know if i can handle nitrous.. i'll be go crazy and spray all the time.. haha..
By the way, thanks to all that have been replying. it's hard to get a good post going without people flamming.
Damn that sounds hella nice, but I don't know if i can handle nitrous.. i'll be go crazy and spray all the time.. haha..
By the way, thanks to all that have been replying. it's hard to get a good post going without people flamming.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NXLude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know everything about swaps (currently) but I know H22s and i know they stomp on GSRs stock to stock.....the swaps seem camparably priced, but I guarantee that if someone were to say put cams and bolt on on each engine they would be happier with the H22, the extra torque is nice and vtec is way way nicer....just get the h22, slap on some cams and nitrous and you have a badass dual purpose reliable car.....the extra effort will probably be worth it....</TD></TR></TABLE>
well said
both motors are awesome but I vote H22.
well said
both motors are awesome but I vote H22.
05-20-2003, 05:05 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (sleeperciv)
i'm for sure on getting the LSD. everyone on HT has been giving it nothing but praises.
i haven't had a chance to ride in a car with an H22 (if anyone from the bay area on HT wants to take me for a test drive.. i'll buy lunch..
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i've rode in a EG with a fully built type r. man.. that bad boy is sweet. this car was pushing 207 hp and 137 torque. something like that.(Jonnybravo ) good ****. too bad i don't have the money to "invest" like that..
i haven't had a chance to ride in a car with an H22 (if anyone from the bay area on HT wants to take me for a test drive.. i'll buy lunch..
) i've rode in a EG with a fully built type r. man.. that bad boy is sweet. this car was pushing 207 hp and 137 torque. something like that.(Jonnybravo
) good ****. too bad i don't have the money to "invest" like that..
05-20-2003, 05:09 PM
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (BlazinSi91)
See all i kniow is that 137 ft lbs is retarded.....If i wanted torque Id get a v8....but 137 ft lbs? come on....thats just never gonna be enough for a guy like me.....dont get me wrong, I have driven type rs and such and they are fun.....but you gotta get away from that B series is you want more. that extra 40 ft lbs in the h22 will make the difference in how your car drives....
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Re: In a slump.. Either H22 or B18C (NXLude)
yeah.. that's the thing.. i need torque.. but i guess my concern about a H22 swap is the reliability of it. also how hard is it going to be to swap in..