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Default Orangevirus1 J30 Turbo EG hatch build thread

after much decisiveness, I decided on doing a J30 swap and turboing it in my EG hatch.

ETA: 4 months

Engine: Deciding between J30A or J35A.
transmission: ??????????? ATM unknown
injectors : siemen Deka 680cc
Turbo: Borg warner S256SX


Once I find out my clutch and transmission requirements, this swap will get moved ahead quite quickly.

anyone with J swap knowledge welcome to post. or anyone.

Do I have to get a Specific year J series engine?
Like I found a 2002 J30 for cheap, but would a 03-07 accord 6speed tranny mate to it........?
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Some simple snooping around with Google in 5 minutes gives you quite a lot of info.


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Look here for a parts list for a CL-S + 6 spd swap. (For search: J32 J32A2 6spd CLS Type-S )

Originally Posted by -RedneckDave-
I have looked through this list and I have made a few comments on this because some stuff is not needed and some stuff is. Just look through this if you are interested in this swap. Also I can help out with other questions that may be raised.

Engine. J32A2 If needing a new engine look for a CLs-6 motor (if not see below *)
03 CLs-6 speed manual.
03 CLs-6 Manual Engine Harness. 32110-PGE-A11
03 CLs 6 speed ECU
03 CLs-6 Flywheel 22105-PGE-305
03 CLs-6 Flywheel bolts (Qty 8) 90011-PGE-000
03 CLs-6 Clutch Assembly 22105-PGE-305 (unfortunately right now there arent many options for aftermarket clutches) Spec sells a full line of clutches and flywheels now.
03 CLs-6 Rear Engine mount and bracket 50810-S3M-A01, 50827-S3M-A00, BOLT (m12X25) 90166-S3M-A00 The stock mounts work but they will not last forever due to the additional power and torque Also there are aftermarket mounts available from innovative. I have a set ordered and I will update after I see how they work out.
03 CLs-6 Rear and Front Engine Dampener and bracket (i would reccomend aftermarket here) There are no aftermarket applications that I know of but there are custom solutions
03 CLs-6 Shifter and cables. 54100-S3M-A01, 54310-S3M-A01 The 6th gen accord shifter assembly works fine and bolts right in. I used that and a custom boot for mine.
03 CLs-6 Starter 31200-PGE-A11 (try to locate used, its expensive)
03 CLs-6 Gauges Not required. The factory gauges work just fine
03 CLs-6 Hydraulic Clutch lines. 46960-S3M-A01, & 46970-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Trans mounts (2 of them) 50806-S3M-A03, 50805-S3M-A03 There is also a third part to the mounts that the mounts actually bolt to since they don't bolt directly to the trans.
03 CLs-6 Cup Holder 77230-S3M-A01ZA Not required. The automatic one can be used
03 CLs-6 Parking brake 47105-S3M-A04ZA and to go with it, Not needed either
Spring 47537-671-670, Nut 47522-594-000, Equalizer pin 47365-538-000, Equalizer 47360-SB2-000


*If you use the J32A2 from the Auto you will need these parts (all from the CLs-6)

Front cam pulley 14260-PGE-A11
Front plate assembly (behind cam pulley) 11860-PGE-A10
Timing belt pulley(lower) 13621-PGE-A11
Crank shaft sensor 37500-PGE-A11 (this little **** costs $500.00)
Subharness for CKP 37501-PGE-A10
TDC Sensors (Qty 2) 37840-PGE-A11
TDC SUB HARNESS 37841-PGE-A10

If you dont already have the Type-s you will want the IMRC 37850-PGE-A01

Brake/Gas pedal assembly from either the accord or CLs-6. (i modified mine)
If you decide to buy it new BRAKE PEDAL ASSY 46600-S3M-A51 I would use the ones from the 6th gen accord as well

Clutch pedal. (this can be from a few cars, i took mine from a 90s civic. it was almost a direct bolt in.
It uses 3 points to bolt in only 2 lined up. I modified a bolt and shim to make it bolt up in the 3rd spot)

If you decide to buy it new you will need the pedal and mount CLUTCH PEDAL 46910-S3M-A01 & CLUTCH PEDAL BRACKET 46990-S84-A01
MASTER CYLINDER ASSY 46922-S3M-A01 & Clutch Fluid Tank 46965-S5A-013, & Clutch Hose 46961-S3M-A02
(i used the one from the civic i pulled the clutch pedal out of)

Things im not sure if you will need but i bought.

Relay box assembly (under hood) 38250-S3M-A21
Shift Boot 83414-S3M-A01ZA
Shift **** 54102-SL0-023ZB

If you have a header you will either have to have the XS header or COmptech header for the manual. Other wise it wont fit
You will be able to reuse the stock manifolds

If you already ahve a Type-s you MAY Not need these????
Right side cabin to engine comp harness 32100-S3M-A12
Left side cabin to engine comp harness 32120-S3M-A20

I Would attempt with out (that i bought and used with out trying without first) It will make not having to do all the rewiring of
that i did.
Upper instrument harness 32117-S3M-A31
Lower dash harness 32150-S3M-A32 For the harnesses all you need is plugs from the harnesses that go into the ecu and the actual ecu plug from your stock ecu in order to plug the stock dash harnesses into to make the jumper over to the type-s ecu. This is not for a person that is novice when it comes to wiring.




j32 or j35 into EG

Originally Posted by J_Marc


Originally Posted by sauceja
The biggest problem regardless is finding a 6 speed tranny for these. If you could source one of those then you could use any J motor as a candidate.

Wiring would be the hardest labor being the most time consuming but wouldn't be too bad with the right diagrams.

Money and time would be all that is left. A hood would be nice for street use and if you did this for racing (drag anyway) there isn't an abundance of 6 cylinder classes.

But yes this is a good candidate for my next swap if the H2B goes south.
Yes, it's a difficult task finding a 6 speed trans. There were 3511 6 speed type S CL's, not sure on the numbers for any of the other usable trannies, there will be less than that left but eventually they do pop up in salvage yards.

You can use any J motor, but to use a motor from an auto, you'll need to convert lots of stuff to the manual version if you want to use the 6 speed. For reference check this thread for the parts list to swap the Type S into non Type S Accord/CL/TL chassis. You'll see there's a list at the bottom of stuff you'll need to convert if you get an auto motor.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1897116

That's just for the Type S J32 which had the optional 6 speed, not sure if it would all work with other J's that only came automatic, with a long list like that expect lots of searching and expensive trips to you Acura dealer. The best bet is still a 6 speed donor car.

Money and time is a necessity, but it might not have to cost more than other swaps if you can find good deals. Engine mounts and hood clearance shouldn't be an issue if you do the same as Pinho, his hood closes. I have no idea why Hasport didn't make their mounts like that, I'd like to know what they did for axles compared to pinho, I'm guessing axle placement is the reason their kit sits like that.



Originally Posted by Evs-One
I'm running stock 2003 CL-S 6 speed ECU with my setup. No sec o2, no evap emissions garbage either.

Wiring of the swap was really gravy...but figuring the speedo and tach will be your toughest part of wiring. Thats something I'm working on right now.

the TL and CL transmissions mount up differently(on top with HAsport mounts). HASport mounts are designed to work with the TL mounts. For the CL, you have to drill and tap a new hole into the case.

I desoldered the imobi chip and the car starts everyday. Drive it everywhere- movies, mall, stores, shopping, etc.






^ Pinho's civic mentioned in above quote:
Originally Posted by Pinho
here is mine that closes and i did it in 07..so u gona do it now?lol














Honda J-Series Engine Swap in EG Civic 1992-1995

J35A4 Odyssey engine $900
Non-LSD six-speed transmission $1100
(add $300 for LSD)
API wiring harness mods $450
ECU $325
Shifter assembly $250
Eibach front springs $200
API axles $300
API mount kit $650

Oh, and about the available manual transmissions, such gearboxes can be found only in the ‘03 and newer Accord V-6 or any of Acura’s Type S vehicles. Honda didn’t begin producing these until ‘03 and, even once they did, they only account for roughly five percent of its total J-series transmission production. Have fun finding one. Both have six gears and are identical save for the Type S’ mechanical limited-slip differential. But hunting for a Type S tranny won’t seem all that bad when considering the amount of torque you’ll be expecting your 2,600-pound Civic chassis to handle.

Look around and you’ll find that the Odyssey is the biggest source of J-series engines. There is likely more than a million of these on the road and plenty in the junkyards. The ‘02-’04 engine is best since it has 30 hp more than the previous J35 and doesn’t feature drive-by-wire throttle like the newer models. Finding the transmission is the hard part. Manuals are only available from the Type S Acuras and the ‘03-and-up Accords. They’re both six-speeds and they both have the same ratios but the Type S features a limited-slip differential. Good luck finding one. Let the hunting begin.
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yes I googled the hell out of it.

What I am curious about is, will the 03-07 accord FIVE SPEED work?

The bell housing on the 5 speed and 6 speed look completely IDENTICAL
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edit: Uhhhh...wait a minute, reread your first post. i'll see myself out anyways, i have no knowledge with j swaps, just saw this thread in the 92-00 Civic section

Originally Posted by Orangevirus1
after much decisiveness, I decided on doing a J30 swap and turboing it in my EG hatch.

ETA: 4 months

Engine: Deciding between J30A or J35A.
transmission: ??????????? ATM unknown
injectors : siemen Deka 680cc
Turbo: Borg warner S256SX


Once I find out my clutch and transmission requirements, this swap will get moved ahead quite quickly.

anyone with J swap knowledge welcome to post. or anyone.

Do I have to get a Specific year J series engine?
Like I found a 2002 J30 for cheap, but would a 03-07 accord 6speed tranny mate to it........?
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well ****. I found a 5spd that looks just like the 6 spd.

turns out they are both 4 cyl K series trans.

****.

moving on.

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Alright so parts list of what I am getting. so far. soon.

Engine : 2002 J30A v6 VTEC. purchasing monday
Accord 2003 V6 MT 6 speed
Innovate Mounts
Hasport axles ( or oem axles if I can )
RSX shifter assembly.
odyssey Auto ecu + wiring harness
+ more to come
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Why not a j32?

jsut curious as to why you would choose the j30 or 35 and skip right over the j32?
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Originally Posted by Bouckaroo
Why not a j32?

jsut curious as to why you would choose the j30 or 35 and skip right over the j32?
availability.

I haven't ruled out a J32, but I found a J30 for 400$ shipped to my house with all accessories.

but I haven't completely decided which engine, because I do want one that can handle some boost.
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The j32a2 is a great engine for a few reasons, the head is better, the stroke bore ratio is better, the extra displacement makes more power over the j30, there are allot of j32a2 out there, they are not drive by wire.
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Originally Posted by Bouckaroo
The j32a2 is a great engine for a few reasons, the head is better, the stroke bore ratio is better, the extra displacement makes more power over the j30, there are allot of j32a2 out there, they are not drive by wire.
Is J35 drive by wire?

I don't know why but i'm really leaning towards the J35.

Do you know the Redlines of each engine? I can't find the info really anywhere

J30 redline
J32 redline
J35 redline
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availability.

I haven't ruled out a J32, but I found a J30 for 400$ shipped to my house with all accessories.

but I haven't completely decided which engine, because I do want one that can handle some boost.
Dont buy a motor yet and do some more research. Is the J30 drive by wire? The ideal candidate is the j32a! I have been researching for a few years. j32a.com is a good site for info.
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This is what you really need to know!!!

J-SERIES RUNDOWN
ENGINE/CAR HP NOTES
Notes Legend A: Drive By Wire throttle B: Single port exhaust C: Variable Cylinder Management D: Six-speed manual transmission available E: Not compatible with six-speed manual bellhousing

J30A1

'97-'99 3.0 CL 200 distributor ignition
'98-'02 Accord V-6 200 distributor ignition ('98-'99)
J30A4

'03-'05 Accord V-6 240 A, B, D
J30A5

'06-'07 Accord V-6 244 A, B, D
J32A1

'99-'03 TL 225
'01-'03 3.2 CL 225
J32A2

'01-'03 CL Type S 260 D ('04 model)
'02-'03 TL Type S 260
J32A3

'04-'05 TL 270 A, B, D
'06-'07 TL 258
J35A1

'99-'01 Odyssey 210
J35A3

'01-'02 MDX 240
'04-'07 Saturn Vue 250 L66 in GM-speak
'03-'04 Pilot 240
J35A4

'02-'04 Odyssey 240
'04 Pilot 240
J35A5

'03-'06 MDX 260 A, B
J35A6

'05-'09 Odyssey LX/EX
A, B
'05 Pilot 255 A, B
J35A7

'05-'09 Odyssey EX-L/Touring
A, B, C

J35A8

’07-’08 TL Type S 286 A, B, D
’05-’08 RL 265 A, B
J35A9

’06-’08 Ridgeline 247 A, B
’06-’08 Pilot 244 A, B
J35Z1

’06-’08 Pilot 244 A, B, C
J35Z2

’08-’09 Accord V-6 271 A, B, C, iVTEC
J35Z3

’08-’09 Accord V-6, 6-spd coupe
A, B, iVTEC
J35Z4

’09 Pilot 271 A, B, C, iVTEC
J35Z5

’09 Ridgeline 250 A, B
J37

J37A1

’07-’09 MDX 300 A, B, E
J37A2

’09 RL
300
J37A4

’09 TL SH-AWD 305 A, B, D (’10 model)
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie_g35
Dont buy a motor yet and do some more research. Is the J30 drive by wire? The ideal candidate is the j32a! I have been researching for a few years. j32a.com is a good site for info.
I'm actually buying the J35a Vtec. Not drive by wire.
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Someone did a write up on this already.
Contact user name: "hamza".
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