redlineh22a

An interestin turn of events has just occured this afternoon. I recieved a phone call from my good friend and mechanic (i guess), that he will offer me is fully built lsvtec (including everything for swap) for my h22a (everything for eg swap). There is absolutley nothing wrong with his motor. Fully built with new rods pistons, the whole 9 yards and is preped for 20lbs of boost. he has $7k in it. You may know him as Tinker219. If the deal is agreed upon, we'll drop it in this week. His reasoning for the trade is he needs a cable trannied motor for a big and unique project in his Sol and finds no use for the lsvtec.

I want to see at least low 13's in the near future and probably will go turbo. Iam prabably 60% lsvtec, 40% h22 so far. What would you guys do? and dont say"H22!!" just because this forum is h22 dominated.

*Cody, I just need some input*

skribblah

if it were me, i would get the ls/vtec, and bust it open, inspect the hell out of it, and put it back together and ride into the sunset with a powerfull engine...

so get into details of the ls/vtec setup...

redlineh22a

Reliablility is an issue too. Its biult with some very high performance and relaible parts , but will it last me a few years?

skribblah

yea man, i have seen people's ls/vtecs last upwards of 48,000+ mi. if you take care of it, it will take care of you. the most important thing in building an ls/vtec is that everything is balenced and blueprinted up to 10,000rpms. then revving to 8 - 8500 wont be a problem and/or as detramental to the engine. frequent oil changes are also mandatory. a new ( gsr or type r ) oil pump, arp rod bolts. if you get it, feel free to talk to me and ill fill you in on some things.

Newman

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Got specs and parts used so that we can better determine how the motor will perform. An LS/VTEC motor is only reliable as much as how well it's built and driven. My old LS/VTEC (before somebody hit my car) lasted close to 2 years w/out any problems, and that's with racing it all the time and occassionally hitting the 10,000 rev-limit on accident a few times , but that was awhile back. If you want to see low 13s, even a built LS/VTEC may not hit it but it all depends on what parts and specs are used. If you put a 50-70 shot of NOS onto your H22 motor (the motor will easily take that w/out any problems.... I ran a 100 shot w/out any problems), then you'll see low 13s. It's a toss up really, but "many mods" can mean anything really.

redlineh22a

what ecu can I use. Will a p13 work. I heard GSR is the best.

Newman

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ECU for what? Your H22? Stick with the P13... has the proper fuel and timing maps for a H22 motor. A B-series and H-series fuel/timing curves are very different, which is why it's hard to make a good chip for a P28 to work in a H22 (unless you have a Hondata and upload a stock Prelude setting and work from that).

redlineh22a

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ECU for what? Your H22? Stick with the P13... has the proper fuel and timing maps for a H22 motor. A B-series and H-series fuel/timing curves are very different, which is why it's hard to make a good chip for a P28 to work in a H22 (unless you have a Hondata and upload a stock Prelude setting and work from that).
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No the ls/vtec. I am a ls/vtec newb and I dont what ecu to use?

Newman

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No the ls/vtec. I am a ls/vtec newb and I dont what ecu to use?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Chipped P28 with a custom program (to go with the specs.... again, we need specs on the motor!). P72 and P13 are going to look for sensors that you don't have hooked up like IAB, knock, and EGR.

skribblah

any other questions? i really suggest calling this guy up and getting the details of how it was built and whats in it. IE did he drill the block, or the head, or dowels or what.

redlineh22a

Setup:
JG 81mm w/10.5:1 compression
Eagle rods, JE pistons
Crower valve springs/retainers
ACT heavy duty Clutch
Venom fuel rail

I dont have much more info than that.

I know him personally as a friend. He is definitly someone I can trust.

Newman, what shift linkage do I use for an EG?

jacobyb

I am biased, but I personally would not want to sacrifice the displacement and overall potential of the H22. I am by no means talking **** about the LS/Vtec, but I had really good performance from my H22 swap. My vote is to stay with the H22.

Newman

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JG 81mm w/10.5:1 compression
Eagle rods, JE pistons
Crower valve springs/retainers
ACT heavy duty Clutch
Venom fuel rail

I dont have much more info than that.

I know him personally as a friend. He is definitly someone I can trust.

Newman, what shift linkage do I use for an EG?

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On an EG, use either a 2nd gen B16 linkage or a 94+ Integra linkage. As for the setup, that's a mild build... close to a US Type R spec motor (compression wise) but what about the head, cams, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, what tranny will you use, etc? With a setup like that, the H22 will still have better throttle response and would probably be quicker (that would lead to another B18 vs. H22 post ) but unless you're getting a LS/VTEC that's something like 12:1 compression and 84mm or something like that, I wouldn't trade the H22 if you like the power and feel of it, but that's my opinion.

redlineh22a

Thanks for the input Newman. Another thing to consider is convienence, All I am going to need is the ecu and 2 mounts...plus it'll be done within a week or 2. I still need parts for the h22a plus its going to be a while. The H22a has a few more drawbacks as far as handling and wieght. The ls/vtec, maybe a little nicer for a daily driver. I'll let you guys know what happens. But I will always love h22a's and will definitley plan it on my next honda.

fastwanabe

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jacobyb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am biased, but I personally would not want to sacrifice the displacement and overall potential of the H22. I am by no means talking **** about the LS/Vtec, but I had really good performance from my H22 swap. My vote is to stay with the H22.</TD></TR></TABLE>I agree 100%... yeah you could build an LS/VTEC to last but even LS/VTEC could not outperform an H22 mod for mod.