Manofsnow

So my roommate has got me addicted to my ride again. He showed up with an EP Civic Si, did a full K24 engine swap, t3/t4 hybrid turbo..., he's already running over 500 whp in it, trying to shoot for 700 whp! (Already blew 2 engines attempting it).

On a more scaled down level I have my EG coupe. He's saying go with a B18, but why should I stop there? Why can't I do a K24? He has only worked with the newer civics so he didn't know if it would fit, he told me to ask here. So is it possible to do a K24 swap into an EG? Is it worth it? I am surely going to turbo it if so. If not, what will run better? B18 or H22? ...at least in your opinion...

...and yes, I have searched the forum and read "What swaps are available for my Civic?" Just want individuals honest opinions...

Jay_Sensing

For a pro, I doubt the swap is THAT bad, just time consuming with a lot of fab and wiring because unlike the normal B and H series swaps, it's not plug and play with about 30 minutes of wiring. I can complete a B series swap in an EG in less than a day and I would LOVE a K series but I really don't think I could complete it. If you have the budget to pay for it to be done, it definately makes more power than a B but it is expensive and time consuming.

Anthony

I searched for the past half-hour for this damn link. K24 into eg swap.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1415013
If you have a man purse big enough for this swap, do it. You will definitely be satisfied. Like Jay said, it is more expensive and time consuming, but I myself honestly believe that there is more power to be made from a k than there is a b. Just my belief.

-Red

sleeper101

No,

we did try to properly install a stock K24A (TSX) on stock EG , and....
HooD wont shut, not even close.

unless , u willing to make a custom hood, or figure something out.

thats the only problem we have had.

K20A ( RSX) lotsa ppl been thr done tht correctly on 88+up civics

Jay_Sensing

Yeah, there will be a few problems as this is the ultimate bastardization of the honda generations BUT, you guys are right, so much more potential. Reading some of the all motor threads and seeign what those guys are making with minimal mods and tuning makes me want to break out my man purse to pay for it. I just can't talk myself into it yet.

teknoracing

Do the K20 swap or even B series. Whatever you can find cheaper.

litterbox

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4083
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1372077

The hood will close, with some persuasion. Right now I have 191/166, with a little tuning and modding my vtc I expect 220/180.

This motor has more potential than any other honda motor IMO.

Anthony

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by litterbox &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4083
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1372077
The hood will close, with some persuasion. Right now I have 191/166, with a little tuning and modding my vtc I expect 220/180.
This motor has more potential than any other honda motor IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
See the link in my last post. This dude *Points to the guy above him* did it right. Also the k24 has a wider, more shallow oil pan than the k20 does. You have approx. double the clearance with a k24 over a k20.

-Red

JDMracer17

if your having trouble with the K24...do a K20/K24 hybrid. That should work, GOOD LUCK! Go with the K series

MackEg6

bump

litterbox

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MackEg6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bump</TD></TR></TABLE>What do you want to know exactly?

warmmilk

it depends on what ur goal is. if u want 700 hp then go with a build b-series. if u have a turbo that can support 700 hp then u will get 700 hp from a b-series or a k-series, but the b-series will be alot cheaper

but if u want a mild small turbo set up with good low end torque then go for the k-series

the way i see it is if u want an all out all motor then k series is the way to go, but if u want rediculus amounts of turbo power then go b series cause its much cheaper then k series rediculous amounts of turbo power, if u have money to burn and want something unique then go for the turbo k

Soccerking3000

k-series come with forged internals now as well, dont forget that...

warmmilk

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Soccerking3000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">k-series come with forged internals now as well, dont forget that...</TD></TR></TABLE>

where the hell did u hear that, the only thing thats forged in the k series block is the crank shaft, the crank shaft is forged in every engine honda makes. the rods may be forged as well but i'm not sure on that one

on the other hand the is a guy on clubrsx.com that got 515hp out of a stock block rsx, but its still cheaper to get that power out of a b series if ur swapping it into an eg

cost of k20 +/- $5000
cost of parts to install into eg w/k-pro $4000 if u buy it in a group buy from k20a.org
total is 9000
then u still need to buy turbo and supporting mods, and just cause one dude got 515hp doesn't mean you will or how long it will last

b18 $1000 to $1500
completely built bullit proof block $3000
hondata S300 $600 to $700
total is $4600 to $5200
then u still need to buy turbo and all supporting mods, but that costs about the same for k or b series

littleredcivic

the deck height on the k24 is a bit higher than the k20, most stock hoods will not close without persuasion. if you trim away the internal support frame, the hood should close.

SE7EN3S

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Dude I haven't seen you do anything but bump, yet!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Manofsnow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So my roommate has got me addicted to my ride again. He showed up with an EP Civic Si, did a full K24 engine swap, t3/t4 hybrid turbo..., he's already running over 500 whp in it, trying to shoot for 700 whp! (Already blew 2 engines attempting it).</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you're saying your freind has an EP Civic Si, a turbo set up, and has blown two K20 motors, and is getting a third?? I dunno, 30K maybe?

I am a Honda guy through and through, and K-series is the ****, don't get me wrong. But your freind could have just gotten a ******* STI. And as much as I hate to say it... A 700WHP Civic will sit and squeal... JMO

Soccerking3000

if have read there are quite a few 2005+ k20's making over 500whp on the stock bottom end. Also on sr20 forums they were pissed because honda is kicking there *** with the new SI and one of the main points was the new k20 has forged internals...

warmmilk

there is ONE rsx making over 500 hp on stock block and its not an 05
the pistons are cast in all k20's

riceburnerryan

about the fitment, i was reading in honda tuning i think it was, where they put a K20 i think it was in a CRz and the fitment had a problem due to a pulley? and that hasport makes a relocation kit for it. so couldnt you do that for the K24 or is the engine overall a little bit taller?

Jon V

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by littleredcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the deck height on the k24 is a bit higher than the k20, most stock hoods will not close without persuasion. if you trim away the internal support frame, the hood should close.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the block is 9mm taller...

littleredcivic

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the block is 9mm taller... </TD></TR></TABLE>

THANKS!

Lttran

good luck with the swap. makes me want to get back in the import scene.

Manofsnow

So as I see it. If I want to turbo the beast go with a b over the k series just because of the price? Also, yes. His 700 whp wheels just spin, he cant' really take it anywhere other than the track with his slicks on. He doesn't have the turbo on it now, just because of winter. He can to a burnout starting in 3rd gear. It's crazy. I'm nearly as smart as he is, but he had done a bunch of swaps and is more than happy to help me with this one. I'm actually thinking a b18. He has a friend that has a built b18 at over 500 whp...that's what he told me to go with anyway...

Manofsnow

Holy ****! Can I say ****? Who gives a **** nitrared! That swap is sweet! It looks so friggin' clean! Maybe I will go with the K20 over the B18? What's the big differences between to two other than the size?

Anthony

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Manofsnow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Holy ****! Can I say ****? Who gives a **** nitrared! That swap is sweet! It looks so friggin' clean! Maybe I will go with the K20 over the B18? What's the big differences between to two other than the size?</TD></TR></TABLE>Dude, I don't know how to put this but, WTF are you talking about? I never downed the k-series nor did I ever say a swap wasn't sweet. Next time put in a ******* quote so someone knows what the hell you are talking about. Dipshit.

-Red



Modified by nitrared at 3:16 PM 12/3/2005