k20a2 swap worth the money?
11-09-2006, 11:32 AM
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k20a2 swap worth the money?
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im trying to figure out what to do with my new ek. i was thinking about the k20a2 swap. i know if i do this its going to cost me around 7K to get it in and all. is this motor really worth all the money? i was looking an GSR's go for more money then k20a2's....why are they so cheap but a legindary motor? What kind of track times/power can i expect out of a stock k20 with k-pro? bolt ons? cams? is this set up really worth the money,or should i look elsewhere? if i got it i would probably only do bolt ons and some cams,what kind of power could i expect from it?
im trying to figure out what to do with my new ek. i was thinking about the k20a2 swap. i know if i do this its going to cost me around 7K to get it in and all. is this motor really worth all the money? i was looking an GSR's go for more money then k20a2's....why are they so cheap but a legindary motor? What kind of track times/power can i expect out of a stock k20 with k-pro? bolt ons? cams? is this set up really worth the money,or should i look elsewhere? if i got it i would probably only do bolt ons and some cams,what kind of power could i expect from it?
11-09-2006, 11:37 AM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (SpoolnByYou)
LMFAO GSR's cost more than a K20A2?? Yeah right. K series will cost mostly 7K in parts and remember, there are different versions of K's like that of a EP no one wants. I mean I'll put a K20 from a EP anyday but I wouldnt pay much for it.
11-09-2006, 11:40 AM
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my boosted D15 will put down more power than a fully built NA K24. All while costing less than a 4th of the cost.
Any arguments that say that the k-series has more potential because you can boost it and make more power is pointless.
A turbo D can supply more power than you'd ever want on the street.
There's a line where too much is a bad thing and a pain in the ***. Turbo K-series is past that line.
Any arguments that say that the k-series has more potential because you can boost it and make more power is pointless.
A turbo D can supply more power than you'd ever want on the street.
There's a line where too much is a bad thing and a pain in the ***. Turbo K-series is past that line.
11-09-2006, 11:42 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fventura03 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ever been a passenger inside a kswapped civic? that will answer your question on its worthiness 
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Ever spent $7000+ for 220whp?
I can spend $1200 on boosting a D with stronger internals and get that kind of power. And yes, $1200 on turbo parts + internals.
Sucks to spend $5800 extra just to get pissed at the turbo d15 that's faster.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Ever spent $7000+ for 220whp?
I can spend $1200 on boosting a D with stronger internals and get that kind of power. And yes, $1200 on turbo parts + internals.
Sucks to spend $5800 extra just to get pissed at the turbo d15 that's faster.
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11-09-2006, 12:22 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (SpoolnByYou)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpoolnByYou »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is this motor really worth all the money?</TD></TR></TABLE>
hell no.
hell no.
11-09-2006, 12:53 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (SpoolnByYou)
It's all a matter of opinion. Personally the idea of a putting a JDM K20A from the ITR in a 92-95 CX hatch and with bolt-on's and EMS or K-Pro putting down 220whp is pretty damn appealing considering I can beat the **** out of this engine and it will last a good 200K+ and be dead nuts reliable. How many B/D series can boast those kind of numbers? You get what you pay for.
Do I have a K-Series? Hell no. I don't have $10,000 to spend.
Do I have a K-Series? Hell no. I don't have $10,000 to spend.
11-09-2006, 01:03 PM
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WHy not an integra type r engine insted? They have about the same HP numbers especially if you get the JDM version. They also cost around $4000 for the engine and trans insted of the $6000 for the K series and will go in alot easier.
But just like many said on here for the $7k you are looking at for the K series you could get a GSR for $2k and put $5k into building it and it will be much faster. All depends. People like the Kseries because it hasn't been done that much.
But just like many said on here for the $7k you are looking at for the K series you could get a GSR for $2k and put $5k into building it and it will be much faster. All depends. People like the Kseries because it hasn't been done that much.
11-09-2006, 01:20 PM
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Re: (Manga_Spawn)
It all depends on your LONG term plans.. you get a k series, simple bolt on are around 200whp.. give or take
People are saying get a d series and turbo it.. you can only get soo much out of a sohc (not hating) Im just saying, a d series can only make so much power
I was reading in honda turner, and this guy owns like a 856whp h22 hatch, hes now looking to build a 1000whp k20.. so the possiblities are endless
Each to their own
People are saying get a d series and turbo it.. you can only get soo much out of a sohc (not hating) Im just saying, a d series can only make so much power
I was reading in honda turner, and this guy owns like a 856whp h22 hatch, hes now looking to build a 1000whp k20.. so the possiblities are endless
Each to their own
11-09-2006, 01:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CodyC142 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I was reading in honda turner, and this guy owns like a 856whp h22 hatch, hes now looking to build a 1000whp k20.. so the possiblities are endless
Each to their own </TD></TR></TABLE>
holy ****. its up to you but i think that the k series is better for the future.
I was reading in honda turner, and this guy owns like a 856whp h22 hatch, hes now looking to build a 1000whp k20.. so the possiblities are endless
Each to their own
</TD></TR></TABLE>holy ****. its up to you but i think that the k series is better for the future.
11-09-2006, 01:25 PM
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Re: (Manga_Spawn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Manga_Spawn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WHy not an integra type r engine insted? They have about the same HP numbers especially if you get the JDM version. They also cost around $4000 for the engine and trans insted of the $6000 for the K series and will go in alot easier.
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no way, itr motor in a car k in that same car k will be faster expecially with i/h/e/tunning. if you got the money its a win win situation. you can beat the **** out of it all day, yes you can by a gsr and turbo it for the same price, make the same power if not a little more but you cant beat the **** out of it as much...
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no way, itr motor in a car k in that same car k will be faster expecially with i/h/e/tunning. if you got the money its a win win situation. you can beat the **** out of it all day, yes you can by a gsr and turbo it for the same price, make the same power if not a little more but you cant beat the **** out of it as much...
11-09-2006, 01:28 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (SpoolnByYou)
Wow this turned real quick.
Boosted 220whp D anything engine = BOOM! way sooner than any STOCK K series engine, or B series engine for that matter.
As far as a K20A2 swap being worth it? IMO not really when you can have a B18C5 swap that will make an easy 175whp with minor bolt-ons, have all stock (read no extra cost) mounts, axles, shift linkage, radiator, etc. etc. all for $3,000.00 less than a K20A2 swap running in the car.
I personally bought into the K series craziness back a few years ago and actually posted my pristine, perfect-running B18C5 up for sale locally and had like 3 guys with cash in hand lining up to buy it.
I changed my mind after I realized I was going to cough up an extra $3,000.00[/b] for maybe 15-20whp since I could not afford any cams, etc. on top of the mount kit, axles, blah blah blah.
It's very easy for people to project their build on you because it's THEIR passion, but I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed my B18C5 for the past 5 years of 8500rpm revs with ZERO engine problems.
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I'm not saying a B18C5 swap will be faster than a K20A2 swap. I don't want anyone to confuse what I'm saying at all. I'm saying cost/hp IMO the B18C5 is the better bargain these days.
Boosted 220whp D anything engine = BOOM! way sooner than any STOCK K series engine, or B series engine for that matter.
As far as a K20A2 swap being worth it? IMO not really when you can have a B18C5 swap that will make an easy 175whp with minor bolt-ons, have all stock (read no extra cost) mounts, axles, shift linkage, radiator, etc. etc. all for $3,000.00 less than a K20A2 swap running in the car.
I personally bought into the K series craziness back a few years ago and actually posted my pristine, perfect-running B18C5 up for sale locally and had like 3 guys with cash in hand lining up to buy it.
I changed my mind after I realized I was going to cough up an extra $3,000.00[/b] for maybe 15-20whp since I could not afford any cams, etc. on top of the mount kit, axles, blah blah blah.
It's very easy for people to project their build on you because it's THEIR passion, but I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed my B18C5 for the past 5 years of 8500rpm revs with ZERO engine problems.
EDIT:
I'm not saying a B18C5 swap will be faster than a K20A2 swap. I don't want anyone to confuse what I'm saying at all. I'm saying cost/hp IMO the B18C5 is the better bargain these days.
11-09-2006, 01:39 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (B18C5-EH2)
the thing that i read is the headflow is way better in the k
you could port the heads on any d or b sereis and barely get what you get stock out of a k sereis
so in the long run depending on how much hp/mney u want to spend
thats decided on you
if u want a k with only minor boltons
might as well get a gsr and turbo it to a reliable 6psi and you will bw set
you could port the heads on any d or b sereis and barely get what you get stock out of a k sereis
so in the long run depending on how much hp/mney u want to spend
thats decided on you
if u want a k with only minor boltons
might as well get a gsr and turbo it to a reliable 6psi and you will bw set
11-09-2006, 01:43 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Boosted 220whp D anything engine = BOOM! way sooner than any STOCK K series engine, or B series engine for that matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not if tuned correctly and if no shortcuts were taken.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you're telling me 220whp of boost will = the same 1/4 times as 220whp N/A?</TD></TR></TABLE>
If it has a linear torque curve. Read: Not a huge turbo.
Not if tuned correctly and if no shortcuts were taken.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you're telling me 220whp of boost will = the same 1/4 times as 220whp N/A?</TD></TR></TABLE>
If it has a linear torque curve. Read: Not a huge turbo.
11-09-2006, 01:45 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (hatch96y7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatch96y7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the thing that i read is the headflow is way better in the k
you could port the heads on any d or b sereis and barely get what you get stock out of a k sereis
so in the long run depending on how much hp/mney u want to spend
thats decided on you
if u want a k with only minor boltons
might as well get a gsr and turbo it to a reliable 6psi and you will bw set </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's mainly due to the larger bore. Larger bore = larger valves. Larger valves = larger ports. Larger ports = better flow.
makes the f/h engines look much more attractive for a H2D or H2B project
you could port the heads on any d or b sereis and barely get what you get stock out of a k sereis
so in the long run depending on how much hp/mney u want to spend
thats decided on you
if u want a k with only minor boltons
might as well get a gsr and turbo it to a reliable 6psi and you will bw set
</TD></TR></TABLE>That's mainly due to the larger bore. Larger bore = larger valves. Larger valves = larger ports. Larger ports = better flow.
makes the f/h engines look much more attractive for a H2D or H2B project
11-09-2006, 01:49 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (Bense)
I respect you Bense, and you're a very knowledgable guy - a champion of the SOHC engine for sure - but I have to disagree 100% in that I don't give a **** how well tuned a SOHC engine is under boost - it will not last as long as a stock B or K or H series engine, period.
You can build it (the SOHC turbo) up, tune it with whatever EMS you want, and it will not take a beating like the countless stock internals 150,000+ B series engines bro.
You can build it (the SOHC turbo) up, tune it with whatever EMS you want, and it will not take a beating like the countless stock internals 150,000+ B series engines bro.
11-09-2006, 02:10 PM
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Re: k20a2 swap worth the money? (B18C5-EH2)
I have to agree with Tom.
I'm now considering a b18c5 instead of a b18c1 just from reading his posts. Tom is a cool guy.
I'm now considering a b18c5 instead of a b18c1 just from reading his posts. Tom is a cool guy.
11-09-2006, 02:37 PM
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I really think the k series engines are just way to pricey for what you get. The C5 makes close to the same horsepower for around $1500-2000 less than the K and I am willing to bet is just as realiable. Plus with that extra cash you can get way more bolt on stuff than the k were all your money is gone just getting the engine in there.
If I had the money i would be doing the ITR engine. RIght now I am planning on a mini me swap and hoping to pull some good horsepower thats realiable without breaking the bank.
If I had the money i would be doing the ITR engine. RIght now I am planning on a mini me swap and hoping to pull some good horsepower thats realiable without breaking the bank.
11-09-2006, 04:53 PM
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I'd go with the K. You can do a K swap for $4-5K if you shop around for good deals and do the work yourself. Personally I'll have right at $4k in my swap when it fires up and that includes:
04' K20A2 w/4,000 miles on it complete swap w/ ECU and transponder
Hasport EKK2 mounts
Custom wiring harness
OEM hybrid axles (B series outers, K inners)
DC sports swap header
And some other small misc. parts
That will get it running and driving with aprox 180whp or so and be totally reliable. I'm going to run mine this way for a while and have some fun NA before I finish putting together my turbo kit. At some point I'll pick up a K-pro, but it is not necessary if your just doing a NA k swap on the cheap.
04' K20A2 w/4,000 miles on it complete swap w/ ECU and transponder
Hasport EKK2 mounts
Custom wiring harness
OEM hybrid axles (B series outers, K inners)
DC sports swap header
And some other small misc. parts
That will get it running and driving with aprox 180whp or so and be totally reliable. I'm going to run mine this way for a while and have some fun NA before I finish putting together my turbo kit. At some point I'll pick up a K-pro, but it is not necessary if your just doing a NA k swap on the cheap.