H2B vs. K20 Swap
12-31-2008, 08:42 AM
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Re: H2B vs. K20 Swap
H2B!
if you can find buyers for your leftover parts from the conversion (tranny, axles, mounts ect) you will make out real good.
H2B conversion for you, around what 3k? Sell leftover parts for 1000?
what does a K-swap go for these days? id say at least 6k when said and done?
spend the 3k on the conversion, and spend another 3k into building the H and go turbo.
if you can find buyers for your leftover parts from the conversion (tranny, axles, mounts ect) you will make out real good.
H2B conversion for you, around what 3k? Sell leftover parts for 1000?
what does a K-swap go for these days? id say at least 6k when said and done?
spend the 3k on the conversion, and spend another 3k into building the H and go turbo.
12-31-2008, 02:02 PM
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Re: H2B vs. K20 Swap
h2b FTW. i have a mild build H motor with a B trans and I am making monster "K" power already. Looking for my HP next season but h2b is the best way to go by far. K series just costs too much. All you will get is the "bling factor" over an h2b. H2B and F2B, inho, are the ultimate "hybrid" swaps...
12-31-2008, 02:33 PM
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you make it sound like a big deal... it took me literally 30 minutes to weld the floor on my car when i went h2b(that includes taking out the seats and carpet, not a big deal at all. and as far as your mount bracket... go to your dealership and pick up another one for like 4 bucks and weld that in too.. if you want to save money go h2b, if you want your **** to be flashy and "baller" go K series and have the same performance.
12-31-2008, 03:55 PM
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Re: H2B vs. K20 Swap
There is no way that a stock H2B (tuned) will "keep up with or beat" a K20A/A2/Z3 (tuned) swapped EF/DA/EG/DC/ or EK chassis.
It's only common sense.
A bone stock K motor tuned will make 220+whp
A bone stock H motor tuned will make 180whp topps.
It's only common sense.
A bone stock K motor tuned will make 220+whp
A bone stock H motor tuned will make 180whp topps.
12-31-2008, 04:03 PM
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If you believe the H2B will attain the same performance as a K series motor, than you need to do 1 of 2 things, 1. actually go for a ride in a car with a swapped K motor, or 2. do some research and stop being so bias (totally cliche) cause you have an H2B swap.
It kills me that H/T is so polluted with people that think the H2B thing is soooooooo revolutionary.
12-31-2008, 04:15 PM
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12-31-2008, 04:42 PM
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The money you save going h2b, you can put towards the engine. And I've seen stock h2b/h22's do 200+ whp. And k20's do alot less than your claimed 220 whp(around 205). Every motor performs differently, and the same motor will put out way different numbers in Arizona as compared to Colorado or something. And HT has peeps from all over the world posting their ****. Imoabo(in my on a budget opinion) h2b>K. And when you start going into fully building either engine. They make comparable power.. Whatever floats your boat. I also feel that rod linkage feels better than cable linkage.. Did that last statement make your night?
12-31-2008, 05:18 PM
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Re: H2B vs. K20 Swap
I need to get a vid of me racing a k20. I make similar power with bolt ons, a K with similar bolt ons ran at the same track on drag radials and ran the same time I did on street tires but he ran a lower MPH. I would blast his *** on slicks. Some people just have this golden image that nothing can be better than this glorified K series, but I make the same power, out of a motor that I paid 850 shipped and another $1400 and the price of my kit and the bolt ons. So I have the same power, a motor that is just as fast or faster, for half the price.
12-31-2008, 05:41 PM
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Re: H2B vs. K20 Swap
The money you save going h2b, you can put towards the engine. And I've seen stock h2b/h22's do 200+ whp. And k20's do alot less than your claimed 220 whp(around 205). Every motor performs differently, and the same motor will put out way different numbers in Arizona as compared to Colorado or something. And HT has peeps from all over the world posting their ****. Imoabo(in my on a budget opinion) h2b>K. And when you start going into fully building either engine. They make comparable power.. Whatever floats your boat. I also feel that rod linkage feels better than cable linkage.. Did that last statement make your night?
Also, if that prelude motor is in fact "bone stock", than why would he need 550cc injectors? Not to mention, I have never seen a Honda Prelude come from the factory with 550cc injectors, a 3.5" intake, header and Hondata. So count that supposedly stock motor out.
12-31-2008, 06:55 PM
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Right, and k series cars come stock with kpro and and aftermarket headers and 3" intakes too right? Your argument is just as bs as you claim mine to be. No point in going back and forth. OP Make your own mind. Don't let others build your car.
01-02-2009, 07:21 AM
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People act like if they get an H22 and put a B series tranny on it that it will make 200+ whp, WRONG! You can get a stock H motor, message it the right way and maybe pull 185whp out of it with a good tune. That guy making over 200whp had some things done to the motor and if his motor only had what he said it had on it, then why did he need 550cc injectors? A header, intake, and exhaust does not require the use of 550cc injectors.
01-02-2009, 08:40 AM
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I don't ever remember mentioning a K-pro or 3" intake. But your right about the OP not letting others build his car.
People act like if they get an H22 and put a B series tranny on it that it will make 200+ whp, WRONG! You can get a stock H motor, message it the right way and maybe pull 185whp out of it with a good tune. That guy making over 200whp had some things done to the motor and if his motor only had what he said it had on it, then why did he need 550cc injectors? A header, intake, and exhaust does not require the use of 550cc injectors.
People act like if they get an H22 and put a B series tranny on it that it will make 200+ whp, WRONG! You can get a stock H motor, message it the right way and maybe pull 185whp out of it with a good tune. That guy making over 200whp had some things done to the motor and if his motor only had what he said it had on it, then why did he need 550cc injectors? A header, intake, and exhaust does not require the use of 550cc injectors.
just because he is running those, doesnt mean he NEEDS them....im running 450's in my bolt on h2b, and dont NEED them yet....but when i switch to e85 i will.
01-02-2009, 10:41 AM
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So you are saying that a stock k20 swapped civ/teg will make 220+ whp? That's bs too. K swap cars need after market headers to clear the crossmember(if I remember correctly). And no one Is gonna run a stock intake either.. I don't hate k swaps. I just think they are overpriced right now for their coMparable performance.
01-02-2009, 04:14 PM
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That is correct, but if you are building a race car that you know will eventually overrun the stock injectors why would you not put them in from the beginning? Good planning makes any build cheaper and easier
01-02-2009, 04:20 PM
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Some people have to stop believing if they have k series that they will win. Only time a k24 would have a + would be when your going past 320hp. If you do any engine right you can make 300whp. K series is expensive anyways and not even close to street legal in cali. At least with a h/b/f you could hide stuff and be legal lol. The engine of a k20/24 might be alright priced but once u factor in the aftermarket parts then it goes up big time. Almost every place charges extra if its for k series. In the end of the day it doesn't matter if you got a k/b/h/f or even d series, it just matters about the power and who wins lol.
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01-03-2009, 06:26 AM
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Re: H2B vs. K20 Swap
you can very easily put down 350+ on your current setup with less than >800 worth of turbo stuff... there are many places that will bench your trans for 500 or you can snag another trans for 300-500... now you are 100 whp past either scenario, and still have a grand in the bank. Oh btw, the h-series trans is remarkably stronger and more reliable than people give it credit for, they just dont like rpm. Keep it under 8k, be nice to it, and it will be bullitproof, with 350whp you wont have to power shift and over rev anymore...
01-03-2009, 07:14 AM
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I don't ever remember mentioning a K-pro or 3" intake. But your right about the OP not letting others build his car.
People act like if they get an H22 and put a B series tranny on it that it will make 200+ whp, WRONG! You can get a stock H motor, message it the right way and maybe pull 185whp out of it with a good tune. That guy making over 200whp had some things done to the motor and if his motor only had what he said it had on it, then why did he need 550cc injectors? A header, intake, and exhaust does not require the use of 550cc injectors.
People act like if they get an H22 and put a B series tranny on it that it will make 200+ whp, WRONG! You can get a stock H motor, message it the right way and maybe pull 185whp out of it with a good tune. That guy making over 200whp had some things done to the motor and if his motor only had what he said it had on it, then why did he need 550cc injectors? A header, intake, and exhaust does not require the use of 550cc injectors.
h22 motor
b16 trans
3 inch intake
Quality header
Hondata s200 and a good tune
200hp for sure.
Cams and other ins and outs are only more power adders. You can get a stock internal H block to about 230whp without ever opening the bottom end...
