Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a????
10-16-2003, 10:15 AM
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Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a????
It might be a dumb question but a guy I know is selling a h22a4 longblock and I know that the h22a4 has the ATTS so I was wondering because it doesnt include the tranny I could attach a regular (non ATTS) tranny and be fine right? Thanx ahead for help.
10-19-2003, 11:40 AM
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h22a4 is any usdm obd2 engine. you would need to check to see if it has a half shaft on it.. or how the halfshaft is configured to know if it is sh or not. and yes you can put a standard tranny on a sh block... but with some modification
10-20-2003, 06:38 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (kholmes)
are you sure the h22a4 you are looking at is from a lude sh? all 97+ usdm engines are h22a4...base model OR type-sh
10-20-2003, 06:41 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (v4lu3s)
Alright, I thought only the a4 was the atts but the guy sold it anyway so thanx for the help.
10-20-2003, 06:59 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (kholmes)
You can put a H22A4 block to a standard M2A4 5-spd tranny w/out any problems, and then run the CB or BB intermediate shaft (90-93 accord and 92-96 prelude for you non-JDM chassis terminology 
). Of course in stock form, it's lower compression with an open deck. A guy I know is running a 98 H22A4 block with high comp pistons in his 99 Civic coupe, and running a M2A4 transmission. No problems.
). Of course in stock form, it's lower compression with an open deck. A guy I know is running a 98 H22A4 block with high comp pistons in his 99 Civic coupe, and running a M2A4 transmission. No problems.
10-20-2003, 07:04 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (v4lu3s)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you sure the h22a4 you are looking at is from a lude sh? all 97+ usdm engines are h22a4...base model OR type-sh</TD></TR></TABLE>
The difference between the base and the SH wasn't the engine, it was other features. They both had the A4 in them.
The difference between the base and the SH wasn't the engine, it was other features. They both had the A4 in them.
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10-20-2003, 08:46 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (UpstateCivic)
Actually it looks like the guy is going to sell it to me but we dont know how to tell if it is the atts tranny, what do you look for?
10-20-2003, 10:39 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (kholmes)
You need to look for the ATTS system that will be attached to the tranny and then the driver side axle if it has that then stay away trust me if it is just the tranny and the halfshaft and the axle its all good
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10-21-2003, 05:21 AM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (accordhybrid)
M2U4 = 5th gen SH tranny
M2Y4 = 5th gen Base tranny
M2F4 = 4th gen VTEC tranny
M2A4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny (same as M2F4)
M2B4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny w/ LSD
M2Y4 = 5th gen Base tranny
M2F4 = 4th gen VTEC tranny
M2A4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny (same as M2F4)
M2B4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny w/ LSD
10-21-2003, 10:29 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (satan_srv)
Sorry, I still dont understand, Im going to get it Sat. What should I look for?
10-21-2003, 11:15 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (satan_srv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">M2U4 = 5th gen SH tranny
M2Y4 = 5th gen Base tranny
M2F4 = 4th gen VTEC tranny
M2A4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny (same as M2F4)
M2B4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny w/ LSD
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But I'll just add... I had one of the "ultra rare" M2F4 LSD transmissions in my old 92 hatchback. It was a factory-option LSD and not aftermarket. I never saw another one like it. Feels the same as the M2B4 that's in my 98 hatchback now.
M2Y4 = 5th gen Base tranny
M2F4 = 4th gen VTEC tranny
M2A4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny (same as M2F4)
M2B4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny w/ LSD
</TD></TR></TABLE>
But I'll just add... I had one of the "ultra rare" M2F4 LSD transmissions in my old 92 hatchback. It was a factory-option LSD and not aftermarket. I never saw another one like it. Feels the same as the M2B4 that's in my 98 hatchback now.
10-23-2003, 08:49 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (Newman)
Alright, picked up motor today. Its a M2Y4 tranny! Is that good? Also is there a place that prepares or has preped wire harnesses for a h22 into EK?
10-24-2003, 01:41 AM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (Newman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Newman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
But I'll just add... I had one of the "ultra rare" M2F4 LSD transmissions in my old 92 hatchback. It was a factory-option LSD and not aftermarket. I never saw another one like it. Feels the same as the M2B4 that's in my 98 hatchback now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I never mention that. It is super rare because nobody bought it. But you could see it in the old dealer promo materials as an option. Crazy but it never really caught on here.
But I'll just add... I had one of the "ultra rare" M2F4 LSD transmissions in my old 92 hatchback. It was a factory-option LSD and not aftermarket. I never saw another one like it. Feels the same as the M2B4 that's in my 98 hatchback now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I never mention that. It is super rare because nobody bought it. But you could see it in the old dealer promo materials as an option. Crazy but it never really caught on here.
10-26-2003, 01:36 AM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (teknics1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teknics1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is an m2s4 trans from? That is what I have on my H22A4 in my 94 Del Sol Si.</TD></TR></TABLE>
H23. Prelude Si. That's a shame, your car would be quite a bit faster with an H22a tranny.
H23. Prelude Si. That's a shame, your car would be quite a bit faster with an H22a tranny.
10-27-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (cha chi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cha chi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah but ive heard the h23 tranny is good to use for F/I</TD></TR></TABLE>
i guess...it has longer gears...but if it have a decent spool on your turbo it shouldn't matter
i guess...it has longer gears...but if it have a decent spool on your turbo it shouldn't matter
10-28-2003, 07:53 AM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (UpstateCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UpstateCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The difference between the base and the SH wasn't the engine, it was other features. They both had the A4 in them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
actually there are a few differnces. as far as how the halfshaft bolts up and the fact taht the intake manifold isi slightly different as well (i belieive it is only the lower half though).
The difference between the base and the SH wasn't the engine, it was other features. They both had the A4 in them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
actually there are a few differnces. as far as how the halfshaft bolts up and the fact taht the intake manifold isi slightly different as well (i belieive it is only the lower half though).
10-28-2003, 08:00 AM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (satan_srv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i guess...it has longer gears...but if it have a decent spool on your turbo it shouldn't matter</TD></TR></TABLE>
i though that gearung wasa pretty similar myself, and i assume these are correct figures:
M2S4
FINAL 4.27:1
1st 3.31
2nd 1.86
3rd 1.32
4th 1.03
5th 0.81
M2F4
4.27:1
3.31
1.95
1.36
1.07
0.87
is the slight difference enough to omake it that much faster?
i have already run an 8.9@80 with a 2.1 60 ft on 215/40/17 in my civic my first time to go to a track.
i am also running an m2a4 in my accord with the same size tires and speed to rpm is very similar to the civic as well.
i guess...it has longer gears...but if it have a decent spool on your turbo it shouldn't matter</TD></TR></TABLE>
i though that gearung wasa pretty similar myself, and i assume these are correct figures:
M2S4
FINAL 4.27:1
1st 3.31
2nd 1.86
3rd 1.32
4th 1.03
5th 0.81
M2F4
4.27:1
3.31
1.95
1.36
1.07
0.87
is the slight difference enough to omake it that much faster?
i have already run an 8.9@80 with a 2.1 60 ft on 215/40/17 in my civic my first time to go to a track.
i am also running an m2a4 in my accord with the same size tires and speed to rpm is very similar to the civic as well.
10-29-2003, 05:48 AM
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can you please define that difference?
i see the same final drive and minimal differences in gearing.
no difference in first of course
a less than 5% diff in second
less than 3% in 3rd
less than 4% in 4th
are there any real world figures that can show the actual difference rather than saying something with nothing shown to back it up? i am not doubting i jsut like to see the science that shows it to be that significant a difference.
i see the same final drive and minimal differences in gearing.
no difference in first of course
a less than 5% diff in second
less than 3% in 3rd
less than 4% in 4th
are there any real world figures that can show the actual difference rather than saying something with nothing shown to back it up? i am not doubting i jsut like to see the science that shows it to be that significant a difference.
10-29-2003, 08:09 AM
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Re: Is the H22a4 without tranny just like any other h22a???? (satan_srv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">M2U4 = 5th gen SH tranny
M2Y4 = 5th gen Base tranny
M2F4 = 4th gen VTEC tranny
M2A4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny (same as M2F4)
M2B4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny w/ LSD
</TD></TR></TABLE>
the M2F4 is geared lower than the M2A4 and the M2B4......not much, but it is geared lower
M2Y4 = 5th gen Base tranny
M2F4 = 4th gen VTEC tranny
M2A4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny (same as M2F4)
M2B4 = JDM 4th gen VTEC tranny w/ LSD
</TD></TR></TABLE>
the M2F4 is geared lower than the M2A4 and the M2B4......not much, but it is geared lower