areyouasian

would it fit into the 2001 civic?....some told me it has and some say it wont. i want to know if its possible?

Turbo D17

Definately not... the swap that will work is the K20 RSX type-S engine. Someone's currently doing that swap in Cali, expecting no problems as 2001 Civic and RSX are exactly same in engine compartment, just need to relocate power steering, etc. Not hard, just takes a little while.

Jaker

Actually the K series motors will not go into a 2001 Civic. The 2001 has the same engine orientation as the older D series engines, and other than a tighter engine compartment, and individual ignition coils (no distributor), and bigger displacement (1.7L) there's really not much difference between the setups.

Malachi

yes, its 2002 civic that has the k series motor like the rsx

Turbo D17

The 2001 Civic and RSX have the exact same engine bay dimensions. The engines sit on opposite sides of the car, hence moving power steering, A/C, etc when doing the swap. It can be done, it is being done currently. The entire drivetrain from the RSX must be used as the engine spins the opposite way from the current Civic engine, but that also fits and gives the benefit of a drivetrain made to handle the power.

Turbo D17

After all, the new SI has the base RSX engine in it, and the same engine bay as well... just it's a hatch instead of a coupe, but exactly the same frame and dimensions from the firewall forward.

Jaker

I cannot say for certain, but chances are that since the motor is the other way around in the new hatchback and in the RSX, that the motor mounts that are spot welded to the chassis will not be in the same place as they are for the Civic coupe and sedan.

Turbo D17

They're not in the same place. But the RSX motor mounts can be installed in the Civic with no problems, they even go in the exact same place. That, and there's some wiring that has to be changed, but with using the RSX drivetrain, computer, mounts, etc, it's basically turning the car into an RSX from the firewall forward (mechanically at least)

Malachi

[Modified by Malachi, 5:20 PM 3/30/2002]

Trey

No they aren't.....

They are made in two different plants. Have you even seen them side by side?

toatlly different from the firewall forward.

with your logic you can bolt the 02-03 Si front end to an 02 EX. NOT




[Modified by Trey, 6:55 PM 3/30/2002]

Turbo D17

Measure them. It's the same. Just because they're made in different places doesn't mean the dimensions are different. 01 Civic Coupe, 02 Si, 01 RSX ALL have same engine bay dimensions, accoring to the shop manuals, and a tape measure I used at my dealership when they got some Si's in. The front bumper covers, headlights, and hood are all different of course, but the part that matters, the frame, is exactly the same from the firewall forward.


[Modified by RiceBurnrEX, 10:45 PM 3/30/2002]


[Modified by RiceBurnrEX, 10:46 PM 3/30/2002]

1 2 NV

would u listen to someone w/5 posts from OK. i know i wouldnt. that other guy is right. the 01 civic comes with a 1.7L SOHC with similar if not identical motor mounts to the 96+. i cant say for sure dimensionally though. but for sure the 01 civics use the old D series engine with the intake mani on the back and the timing belt on the drivers side.

Turbo D17

Ok, you know what? Go measure some things, look at the service manuals before you starting spouting crap like you know what you are talking about. I have done both, I have an 01 Civic and a friend with an 01 RSX, and we have inspected and measured and looked at the dealer service manuals, because we were curious. I also have a friend from Houston who is in the process now of doing this swap in California. It doesn't matter what engine mounts are currently in the car because you DON'T USE THEM. You use RSX mounts welded to the frame in the exact same place as the RSX's are. You use the RSX intake, exhaust manifolds, transmission, axles, all drivetrain related parts, so it does not matter one bit what is in there now. All that matters is will the engine fit in the space? Yes it will. Can the motor mounts be welded to the Civic in the same place that they are in the RSX? Yes, they can. Go to a dealership, look at their service manuals to see where everything is located, measure the dimensions given in the service manual, and you will find this swap is possible. Even though I may be from Oklahoma, at least I do research before I say things, not just spout what I THINK with NO evidence as a basis that is relevant.

1 2 NV

i do believe the post was if a H22 would fit in a 01 civic. the informative said that a motor mount kit is currently not available but ppl like me responded with the fact that the 01 civics use the same motor platform as the older 96+ D series motor with more displacement. i never said it wasnt possible with a K series motor, but u r now takin it way outta context and yackin about moving motor mounts this, motor mounts that. w/ the stock D series motors found in the 01 civics a H series mount kit might b just around the corner. so u can quit actin like a girl and changin the subjects at hand. stick to the post.

Malachi

i grabbed these pictures off the net, so credit to ghosty for the civic coupe pic

and automotive forums for hosting the rsx pic


this should help settle it, looks like custom to me, kinda like saying throwing an nsx engine into a crx is easy since the back of the crx will fit the engine.

Turbo D17

hondaatwsu- I didn't change the subject, I responded with an alternative that will work. H22a dimensions are too large, RSX are not. That's why I said that, and I responded the way I did because "girls" like you say not to believe me because I'm new to this board and I'm from Oklahoma... how can that have any bearing on me knowing about this swap? That frankly pissed me off.

And to agree with Malachi, it is a custom job, and the statement he said is pretty close. It fits, so strip the motor bay of the Civic and redo everything because that's what's necessary if someone wants to do it. Like I said, the only reason I posted to this is I know this swap is possible, just to propose an alternative idea to the original question, not to propose the idea is easy or a direct bolt in, or anything like that. It is a very custom job, my only point is it will fit and the H22a is too large to fit.

Malachi

hehe, we can forgive..you've got enough to deal with after OK got thrashed by good 'ole IU