H22 VS. K series swaps....
05-06-2006, 09:52 AM
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H22 VS. K series swaps....
Ok, so it seems everyone is going the K route now. I'm still partial to the h22 though, anyone up to let me know advantages of the K over the H?. Besides torque?..Not arguing just wondering...
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The VTC gear on the intake cam of the K-series constantly varies the advance/retard of the motor. Goes anywhere from 0 degree advance all the way to 50 degrees. Gives you a much smoother and much more usable powerband.
05-08-2006, 07:03 AM
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Re: (TrueZen)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TrueZen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The VTC gear on the intake cam of the K-series constantly varies the advance/retard of the motor. Goes anywhere from 0 degree advance all the way to 50 degrees. Gives you a much smoother and much more usable powerband.</TD></TR></TABLE>
150lbft of tq from 3500-8000rpm is a pretty usable powerband (h22).
Regardless, at thier limits you won't see a difference, with simple boltons, the kseries will only have the advantage due to gearing. Start with the h22, and start with the h2b setup and you will be able to dump the extra $5,000 you saved from not spending on a kswap to invest into the H22 to put that k20a to shame.
150lbft of tq from 3500-8000rpm is a pretty usable powerband (h22).
Regardless, at thier limits you won't see a difference, with simple boltons, the kseries will only have the advantage due to gearing. Start with the h22, and start with the h2b setup and you will be able to dump the extra $5,000 you saved from not spending on a kswap to invest into the H22 to put that k20a to shame.
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Re: (Rott_King)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rott_King »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">K series out tunes, out powers, out performs all others...k>B>H
H is ******* heavy.
B is okay.</TD></TR></TABLE> I think we have a real smart person right here, ever think of which series was build after the other?? H-series owns all you flaming bastards!
H is ******* heavy.
B is okay.</TD></TR></TABLE> I think we have a real smart person right here, ever think of which series was build after the other?? H-series owns all you flaming bastards!
05-08-2006, 07:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SteveoBA8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I think we have a real smart person right here, ever think of which series was build after the other?? H-series owns all you flaming bastards!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I hear ya. I like the H but only with the h2b adapter plate. I'm not a fan of hacking up the firewall for the H tranny cables...
I hear ya. I like the H but only with the h2b adapter plate. I'm not a fan of hacking up the firewall for the H tranny cables...
05-08-2006, 07:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rott_King »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hear ya. I like the H but only with the h2b adapter plate. I'm not a fan of hacking up the firewall for the H tranny cables...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ahh you can always fix the cuts...but h>k>b...the only reason is because h has great powerband...and with the addition of the h2b gearing changes...driveline loss changes...oh and most importantly its about 5000 cheaper than a k swap. Can someone spell hell of an all motor setup up, or turbo.
ahh you can always fix the cuts...but h>k>b...the only reason is because h has great powerband...and with the addition of the h2b gearing changes...driveline loss changes...oh and most importantly its about 5000 cheaper than a k swap. Can someone spell hell of an all motor setup up, or turbo.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecspeed1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ahh you can always fix the cuts...but h>k>b...the only reason is because h has great powerband...and with the addition of the h2b gearing changes...driveline loss changes...oh and most importantly its about 5000 cheaper than a k swap. Can someone spell hell of an all motor setup up, or turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry i have to disagree. You cannot make better power with a deuce deuce. A tsx motor (i have one myself k24a2) im looking to put down 200whp and 180wtq. Tell me which one is faster? Oh yeah, thats just I/H/E and KPRo.
I'm not sure where everybody is getting it's five grand cheaper...My total is 7500 with the motor installed by myself. This is also with top of the line parts. The swap can be done for about 1500 less so thats 6 flat. H22's cost like what at least 3 grand? How much are mounts, fabrication, the H2b is 1000. thats 4 grand right there. For 2 more, you have a more reliable motor, make more power, and tuning abilities not heard of.
ahh you can always fix the cuts...but h>k>b...the only reason is because h has great powerband...and with the addition of the h2b gearing changes...driveline loss changes...oh and most importantly its about 5000 cheaper than a k swap. Can someone spell hell of an all motor setup up, or turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry i have to disagree. You cannot make better power with a deuce deuce. A tsx motor (i have one myself k24a2) im looking to put down 200whp and 180wtq. Tell me which one is faster? Oh yeah, thats just I/H/E and KPRo.
I'm not sure where everybody is getting it's five grand cheaper...My total is 7500 with the motor installed by myself. This is also with top of the line parts. The swap can be done for about 1500 less so thats 6 flat. H22's cost like what at least 3 grand? How much are mounts, fabrication, the H2b is 1000. thats 4 grand right there. For 2 more, you have a more reliable motor, make more power, and tuning abilities not heard of.
05-08-2006, 09:32 PM
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Really, 2200 for an H swap (have my receipt)(way way cheaper than K), 150 for mounts (HCP, new and I can show you my receipt)(also way way cheaper than K into anything). That leaves me what, 5150 for mods? Ill destroy your 200 whp K with that.......
PS I have a little over 3g in mods in my H and make near 100 whp and 80 ft lbs more than that K.....
PS I have a little over 3g in mods in my H and make near 100 whp and 80 ft lbs more than that K.....
05-09-2006, 07:22 AM
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Re: (Rott_King)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rott_King »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sorry i have to disagree. You cannot make better power with a deuce deuce. A tsx motor (i have one myself k24a2) im looking to put down 200whp and 180wtq. Tell me which one is faster? .</TD></TR></TABLE>
all that money and my budget stock block NA H22 will blows your doors off.
I'm sure Goat Boy will too
Sorry i have to disagree. You cannot make better power with a deuce deuce. A tsx motor (i have one myself k24a2) im looking to put down 200whp and 180wtq. Tell me which one is faster? .</TD></TR></TABLE>
all that money and my budget stock block NA H22 will blows your doors off.
I'm sure Goat Boy will too
05-09-2006, 07:25 AM
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Re: (Rott_King)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rott_King »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sorry i have to disagree. You cannot make better power with a deuce deuce. A tsx motor (i have one myself k24a2) im looking to put down 200whp and 180wtq. Tell me which one is faster? Oh yeah, thats just I/H/E and KPRo.
I'm not sure where everybody is getting it's five grand cheaper...My total is 7500 with the motor installed by myself. This is also with top of the line parts. The swap can be done for about 1500 less so thats 6 flat. H22's cost like what at least 3 grand? How much are mounts, fabrication, the H2b is 1000. thats 4 grand right there. For 2 more, you have a more reliable motor, make more power, and tuning abilities not heard of.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How about Corey's [Honda318dx] (or something like that) H22? i/h/e, no tuning, 205whp.
Sorry i have to disagree. You cannot make better power with a deuce deuce. A tsx motor (i have one myself k24a2) im looking to put down 200whp and 180wtq. Tell me which one is faster? Oh yeah, thats just I/H/E and KPRo.
I'm not sure where everybody is getting it's five grand cheaper...My total is 7500 with the motor installed by myself. This is also with top of the line parts. The swap can be done for about 1500 less so thats 6 flat. H22's cost like what at least 3 grand? How much are mounts, fabrication, the H2b is 1000. thats 4 grand right there. For 2 more, you have a more reliable motor, make more power, and tuning abilities not heard of.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How about Corey's [Honda318dx] (or something like that) H22? i/h/e, no tuning, 205whp.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How about Corey's [Honda318dx] (or something like that) H22? i/h/e, no tuning, 205whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Impressive, not as impressive as the whp numbers both k20a's and k20a2's put down. I've seen a handful making 220+ to the wheels, with just I/H/E and tune. Less torque than the k24, around 165 wtq, but thats still some mean numbers.
The k is a better motor than the h, it's as simple as that.
How about Corey's [Honda318dx] (or something like that) H22? i/h/e, no tuning, 205whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Impressive, not as impressive as the whp numbers both k20a's and k20a2's put down. I've seen a handful making 220+ to the wheels, with just I/H/E and tune. Less torque than the k24, around 165 wtq, but thats still some mean numbers.
The k is a better motor than the h, it's as simple as that.
05-09-2006, 10:26 AM
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Re: (Rott_King)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rott_King »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Impressive, not as impressive as the whp numbers both k20a's and k20a2's put down. I've seen a handful making 220+ to the wheels, with just I/H/E and tune. Less torque than the k24, around 165 wtq, but thats still some mean numbers.
The k is a better motor than the h, it's as simple as that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
For boltons I'll agree, but either motor at their peak limits are about the same. Besides, what you'll put into a k20a w/ boltons and parts I'll put together a fully built h22a around 240-260whp.
EDIT: And as far as the 220+whp statement. I've seen more than plenty put down shy of 200whp w/ boltons and tuning. I've also seen many RSX-S's w/ boltons put down less than 190whp.
Modified by DarkKnight1 at 2:53 PM 5/9/2006
Impressive, not as impressive as the whp numbers both k20a's and k20a2's put down. I've seen a handful making 220+ to the wheels, with just I/H/E and tune. Less torque than the k24, around 165 wtq, but thats still some mean numbers.
The k is a better motor than the h, it's as simple as that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
For boltons I'll agree, but either motor at their peak limits are about the same. Besides, what you'll put into a k20a w/ boltons and parts I'll put together a fully built h22a around 240-260whp.
EDIT: And as far as the 220+whp statement. I've seen more than plenty put down shy of 200whp w/ boltons and tuning. I've also seen many RSX-S's w/ boltons put down less than 190whp.
Modified by DarkKnight1 at 2:53 PM 5/9/2006
05-09-2006, 10:42 AM
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K are better motors for ultimate performance but don't think your gonna smoke every other hybrid on the street. Be preppared to have a couple B's and H's hand your *** to you
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I have already priced most of my build out and its gonna be around 6400...thats a boosted, built, h2b'd h22 into my eg civic....your swap cost 7500...hmm you might have 200whp...but i will triple that.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecspeed1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have already priced most of my build out and its gonna be around 6400...thats a boosted, built, h2b'd h22 into my eg civic....your swap cost 7500...hmm you might have 200whp...but i will triple that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wtf??? for 6400 your gonna have 600WHP!!!, hook me ******* up!
wtf??? for 6400 your gonna have 600WHP!!!, hook me ******* up!
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its hts market...i picked up a built h22 motor with crank eagle rods 89mm bore...for a grand...t3/67, pte fmic 600hp, tial 40mm wg, tial 50mm bov, pipes, oil lines...1400...all i have to do is get the pistons 550 from cp because Im gonna end up running an h23 crank....b16 trans for 600...h2b is in the works...hasport mounts...and just misc stuff.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NXLude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really, 2200 for an H swap (have my receipt)(way way cheaper than K), 150 for mounts (HCP, new and I can show you my receipt)(also way way cheaper than K into anything). That leaves me what, 5150 for mods? Ill destroy your 200 whp K with that.......
PS I have a little over 3g in mods in my H and make near 100 whp and 80 ft lbs more than that K.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same here.
PS I have a little over 3g in mods in my H and make near 100 whp and 80 ft lbs more than that K.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same here.
05-10-2006, 04:26 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rott_King »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I hear ya. I like the H but only with the h2b adapter plate. I'm not a fan of hacking up the firewall for the H tranny cables...</TD></TR></TABLE>
H2B is not the answer when it comes to making an H-series swap easier. You still have to cut and bang stuff to make it fit. And from what I have heard, you can't even run a timing belt cover. In other words, one unlucky pebble, and your motor is finished.
I hear ya. I like the H but only with the h2b adapter plate. I'm not a fan of hacking up the firewall for the H tranny cables...</TD></TR></TABLE>
H2B is not the answer when it comes to making an H-series swap easier. You still have to cut and bang stuff to make it fit. And from what I have heard, you can't even run a timing belt cover. In other words, one unlucky pebble, and your motor is finished.
