Adam.

Thread Updated: June 16, 2005.... 14.33 @ 97.98mph
Thread Updated: October 17, 2004.... 14.08 @ 99.30mph
Thread Updated: July 16, 2004.... 14.17 @ 97.66mph
Thread Updated: July 08, 2004.... 14.58 @ 95.19mph
Thread Updated: May 28, 2004.... 14.66 @ 93.71mph
Thread Updated: May 22, 2004.... 14.88 @ 92.08mph



Ok, so i made this post last night and for whatever reason it didn't work:::
**Found out last October 21 that my tach is off by nearly 600rpm @ 7500rpm)any reference made to rpms here is as read on my tach not the actual**
I went to the local track Friday night and made my very first runs with my 1999 Civic EX w/ 93 JDM H22a LSD Tranny.

<U>Weight of the h22 vs. d16y8</U>
The weight of my car at the track that night: 2650 that means a whopping 2870lbs w/ me in the car.
Includes:
-Full tank of 93 Octane ~70lbs
-Misc tools and other junk ~15lbs

Honda's official curb weight of my car is 2512. Anyone know if that is with or without a full tank of gas?

Anyways, that's (2650-70-15) - 2512 = 53lbs
And remember, that's not including any of my other modifications which will certainly weigh more than stock. So I'm guess at a <U>45lb</U> weight difference between my old D16Y8 and the new H22a. Not bad for 75+ more whp, huh?

Quarter Mile Times
Current Mods that matter:
-93 JDM H22a w/ LSD Tranny
-Magnaflow cat, muffler, resonator w/ 2.25" exhaust piping.
-Generic Short Ram Intake
-17" Velox VX-6r rims (17lbs. each)
-205-40-17 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712s

...............1.................2................ .3.................4
60'....... 2.442 ........... 2.475 ....... 2.370 ........ 2.341
1/8 ..... 9.992 .......... 9.964 ........ 9.848 ........ 9.743
1/4 ..... 15.340 ......... 15.291 ...... 15.177 ....... 15.054
MPH .... 91.79 ........... 92.20 ........ 92.01 ........ 90.60

Brief Synopsis:
My first run, was my first run at a track ever, so I was retardly nervous and was just trying to get through that run. I went easy just to get used to it all. Second run I was a little more comfortable, I tried not to roll of the line like I did in the first run, but even with a slight chirp my 60' went down. bleh. And my shift in to 2nd and my shift into 3rd seemed to have the clutch slipping. It was truly a wierd feeling. My third and fourth runs I was a lot more comfortable and it's obvious with my improved 60's and times.
I'm very happy with the car, I used an online calculator to estimate the whp based on my best trap speed and weight. http://www.extreme-auto-parts....r.asp From 92.2mph at 2870 it came out to 173whp. Exactly what I should be at. I think next time I'll be able to hit my goal of 14.7 with improved 60', a crash diet, and a quarter tank of gas instead of full.


Modified by DarkKnight1 at 8:41 AM 6/16/2005

JDM BB2

I have a 93 Prelude w/JDM H22A and with nothing but an AEM intake it pulled 14.7's all day long in the hot FL sun. Putting an Euro R H22 into my 00 CX here in a few weeks... but back to your run.. what did you launch at? What is your wheel/tire setup? Tire pressue? What was your shift point?

UpstateCivic

Your MPH's seem really really low. Granted, your car's weight is up there, but you should still be pulling faster times than that. What's the Wheel/Tire setup? What were you launching at?

LoudAccord

I agree... time and trap seem slow... I had a 93 h22a in my accord and I ran a 14.8 @ 94 with just i/h/e with a leaking injector

I ran a 14.0 @ 101 with the h22 in my civic spinning all the way down also.

edit: and work on your 60 ft tims

AudioFuct

Your times and speed seem very odd to me. I too ran for the first time ever yesterday on a 1/4 mile track and my times seem a bit better.

Were you experiencing any wheel hop at all? What kind of suspension setup do you have? What springs and struts? What clutch and flywheel? What tires?

Heres a few of mine in order of run (if you want to make a comparisson)
...............1.................2................ .3.................4
60'....... 2.382 ...........2.291 ....... 2.270........ 2.399
1/8 ..... 9.241 .......... 9.156........ 9.136........ 9.304
1/4 ..... 14.180......... 14.087...... 14.073....... 14.236
MPH .... 96.09........... 99.42........ 99.31........ 99.34

Stuff that matters:
I have a full body kit, ran on kumho ecsta supra tires , tokico illumina struts fronts set at 1 (softest) and rears set at 5 (stiffest), gcc with h22 spring rate in front, fidanza 8lb flywheel, act hd-ss clutch, chipped p28 (fully tuned 180hp and 150 torque).

LoudAccord

why did you have the fronts set at the softest?

Honda_Tengoku

Something has to be wrong. My D16Z6 hatch with bolt ons, and a phantom grip LSD ran 2.20 60 foot time, and 14.8 @ 94 MPH all on Pirelli street tires! On the dyno mine made 125 WHP! There is no possibly way that engine ran that slow! Unless it isnt running right or u arent driving it right (no offense).

OEMJDM

your set up will probably get you in the mid to high 14's. look at how much it weights? almost 2900lbs with u in it.

Jason kiDD

Good times, and your relatively new to the scene.. Any pics of the car?!

Adam.

Damn, nice times, what civic did you have that in?

I don't know, your runs seem overly fast to me, but maybe you got a freak motor in your car. Based on the same formulas I used from that website, you'd have to be weighing in at around 2150, with you in the car and still driving the **** out of your car to make a 14.8 run.

Lol, no, just picture a red civic with some decent looking gunmetal 6 spoke, w/ a polished lip rims.

Thanks for all of your feed back, I'll be waiting for your responses.

AudioFuct

On my kumhos i cant launch over 2.5k anything over that and i just sit and spin. I cant mash down on the gas either, i gotta kind of baby it till i can feel the tires get a good enough grip for full throttle, then i mash down. Even after the babying i chirp 2nd and 3rd.

As far as my wheel/tire setup, im running some 17 inch TSW Revos wrapped up in those oh-so-wonderful kumho ecsta supras. I didnt check my pressure so im guessing its whatever i last filled it too (so no i didnt lower it or anything). My shift point is 7700k (my redline is set at 8200k, but there is no sense takin it that high cuz it does nothing).

My h is in a 93 civic coupe. Full buddy club body kit.

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AudioFuct &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On my kumhos i cant launch over 2.5k anything over that and i just sit and spin. I cant mash down on the gas either, i gotta kind of baby it till i can feel the tires get a good enough grip for full throttle, then i mash down. Even after the babying i chirp 2nd and 3rd.
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I know exaclty what you mean, I launch at around 2500rpm and go to about 85 - 90% throttle, until it regains a bit of traction and then i mash it. Hopefully I can do a bit better next time. Btw, those sound like damn good times for a eg-ish coupe.

You shift at 7700? isn't the stock redline 7400? Hmm, I'm going to go check out your dyno curve in the FAQ.

H22AMedina

okay, a few things... I hope this helps, I had the same problem years ago when I first got the swap, and it was ALSO the first time i went drag racing.

My car then (still have it but things have changed)...

1997 Civic EX w/jdm h22 NO lsd 17" (25lbs wheels) shoguns (bleh) and some kinda tires (forgot what but were no good lol)... I had a dc header, iceman cold air intake, and greddy evo exhaust with a cat. I weighed in about 2465 (without me) I weigh 178. My best back then was a 15.4 @ 95-96... I couldn't improve it for anything.. I was launching a 2k...

Heres what helped... got rid of the big *** wheels (SO SHOULD YOU)...putty on STOCK ex steel wheels with stock tires... dropped me to about a 14.9-15.0.. The wheels make a huge difference.. we are already pigs as it is weight wise, so lets let the damns wheels rotate easier lol...

Next up was my launch.. yes you can burn out all day long w/h22... BUT believe me launching HIGHER will help. Launching at about 4500 rpms to 5000 will drop your sixty foot. It is better to launch higher and control it than to launch low and let the car work it's way up there (similar to auto's using their torque contverters) you need to be launching in you powerband. That launch brought me down to a 14.8 no prob. My other problem was my 1-2 shift. H22 tranny's are notorious for shifting issues... in my case the clutch was ajusted improperly or just taking a crap on me. The clutch would not release at high rpms, especially in first. The other thing is to shift at a higher RPM. Our gauges are not as accurate as we think. I have found (using hondata later) that 7500 on the tach is closer to 7000 ACTUAL rpms.. so I shift at an INDICATED 8000 rpms. If you do not shift at 8000 rpms in first your rpms will be most likely out of VTEC and out of your power range. This shifting will help get your MPH where it should be. And whatever you do, DON'T shift into fifth gear lol.. stay in fourth.

Don't let some people comments get you down... it is all in the technique (and those big *** wheels). After some tuning on Hondata, I can run a 14.5 on stock steelies and stock tires burning rubber most of the damn way. So with an LSD I'm confident you can too.

Just to give a you a little to look forward too, with a 75 shot and slicks (and still no LSD) I have put down a 13.312 @ 104.87 and my highest mph with that setup is a 106. I haven't run the n20 and slicks more than 5 times... and haven't ever gotten the damn sixty foot down less than a 1.999 on the slicks (still getting used to them) so I'm sure 12's are on the way. Good LUCK!


Oh and PS.. I am doing this all with AC! (now weighs 2525 with a little gas w/out me)

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22AMedina &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay, a few things... I hope this helps, I had the same problem years ago when I first got the swap, and it was ALSO the first time i went drag racing.

My car then (still have it but things have changed)...

1997 Civic EX w/jdm h22 NO lsd 17" (25lbs wheels) shoguns (bleh) and some kinda tires (forgot what but were no good lol)... I had a dc header, iceman cold air intake, and greddy evo exhaust with a cat. I weighed in about 2465 (without me) I weigh 178. My best back then was a 15.4 @ 95-96... I couldn't improve it for anything.. I was launching a 2k...

Heres what helped... got rid of the big *** wheels (SO SHOULD YOU)...putty on STOCK ex steel wheels with stock tires... dropped me to about a 14.9-15.0.. The wheels make a huge difference.. we are already pigs as it is weight wise, so lets let the damns wheels rotate easier lol...

Next up was my launch.. yes you can burn out all day long w/h22... BUT believe me launching HIGHER will help. Launching at about 4500 rpms to 5000 will drop your sixty foot. It is better to launch higher and control it than to launch low and let the car work it's way up there (similar to auto's using their torque contverters) you need to be launching in you powerband. That launch brought me down to a 14.8 no prob. My other problem was my 1-2 shift. H22 tranny's are notorious for shifting issues... in my case the clutch was ajusted improperly or just taking a crap on me. The clutch would not release at high rpms, especially in first. The other thing is to shift at a higher RPM. Our gauges are not as accurate as we think. I have found (using hondata later) that 7500 on the tach is closer to 7000 ACTUAL rpms.. so I shift at an INDICATED 8000 rpms. If you do not shift at 8000 rpms in first your rpms will be most likely out of VTEC and out of your power range. This shifting will help get your MPH where it should be. And whatever you do, DON'T shift into fifth gear lol.. stay in fourth.

Don't let some people comments get you down... it is all in the technique (and those big *** wheels). After some tuning on Hondata, I can run a 14.5 on stock steelies and stock tires burning rubber most of the damn way. So with an LSD I'm confident you can too.

Just to give a you a little to look forward too, with a 75 shot and slicks (and still no LSD) I have put down a 13.312 @ 104.87 and my highest mph with that setup is a 106. I haven't run the n20 and slicks more than 5 times... and haven't ever gotten the damn sixty foot down less than a 1.999 on the slicks (still getting used to them) so I'm sure 12's are on the way. Good LUCK!


Oh and PS.. I am doing this all with AC! (now weighs 2525 with a little gas w/out me)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Awesome, I'm putting my ac back in this coming weekend. I know what you mean about the rims, but my 17s are only 17lbs, which are extremely comparable to the stock steelies. As far as teh rpms, I was having trouble before i went ot the track shifting aroudn 7200, I would drop out of VTEC, but I found that if I rev to where my tac says 7400, i stay inside when I shift, I also don't have the same shifter issues you have. I'm going to get this thing on a dyno to see what it is reading my revs at as compared to the tach, hopefully this weekend. I guess I'll give a few higher rpm launches a try, sounds like smoke death to me, but it's worth a shot

cccya

my h22 ej1, with 1/4 tank 93 gas, and no spare, but all the seats, went 14.6@ 98mph all day here in maine. i just needed to learn how to drive it. didn't hit vtec till the 60' mark......

cccya

also what rpm to lunch at is hard to find out... try and try again

mine=2500 or wheel spin, no LSD

ojoemamao4o

im looking for a lude but i have a 94 hatch right now...people been saying just to find an H22a and swap it in the civic...they say they are wicked fast but i dont know from experence?

AudioFuct

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ojoemamao4o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im looking for a lude but i have a 94 hatch right now...people been saying just to find an H22a and swap it in the civic...they say they are wicked fast but i dont know from experence?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You could try doing a search and then reading.................

jdmitr1982

What RPM are most of you guys shifting at?? I put a JDM Type R ecu program in my P28 to see what would happen and it pulls hard now to 8000rpms. Do you guys think 8k is too much for the stock engine? I'm anxious to take it to tha track to see what see'll do, I smoked my friend's precid w/a KLZE last night .

Adam.

i was shifting what my tach says is 7400. I'm going to go to the dyno to get a better gauge and some numbers.

makaveli284

Now this might be a bit off-topic but how do your civics handle with the h22 up front. I've HEARD about civics becoming very front heavy so just wanted to check. . . ps . im swapping this summer for b18c1 (MAYBE h22 insted)

MPower332TI

I think your coupe with the H22 should run at least a 14.5 or better. You just need to practice your launch and maybe learn to speed shift. I never got to run my coupe with my H22 but with a stock LS motor with bolt ons weighing in at 2260 without me in it i got it to run a 14.6 with a 2.19 60ft. For every tenth you knock off your 60ft that two tenths off your 1\4 mile time. Practice dude.

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by makaveli284 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now this might be a bit off-topic but how do your civics handle with the h22 up front. I've HEARD about civics becoming very front heavy so just wanted to check. . . ps . im swapping this summer for b18c1 (MAYBE h22 insted)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for high jacking my post, but for info, get a kit that sits the motor as far back against the firewall as possible and you should be fine.

quicksol95

wow
i saw a h22a hatch go 12.5s
with h/e/i, intake manifold, tb, and gutted (thats all he said was done)

on slicks with like 1.7 60'times

i am in md

93H22ACX

seen a 97-up civic coupe run 13.9-14.0 with a stock h22.

my prelude ran a best of 14.802@95mph with intake and exhaust