Timmayeg

just curious what mount kit you would use and why, im about to order just wanted to get some opinions

Newman

I personally like the idea & security of NOT having to hack off the passenger side frame rail mount with the HCP kit, but rather using it. With Place & HASport's kit, you need to hack it off and bolt the passenger side mount on from underneath..... it may be secure to hold the H22, but I have my doubts (IMO)..... plus I like the black/black combo of the HCP kit rather than the bright silver/tomato colors, but again my choice/opinion. Otherwise, motor placement is somewhat similar and the axles combo are the same. I'm using the HCP kit, sell it, and have done swaps with it.

Go with whatever you feel you're most comfortable using.

Timmayeg

so you dont have to cut the passanger mount with the hcp kit? though you did on all kits for the shift linkage to work or else it wont go in gear ???

SilverEk3dr

I used the HCP kit, and the only thing I can say that sucks is the using the Stock OEM driver side mount.(for the Ek only) When I first got my car running I took it out and managed to break that OEM oil filled mount to peices. I have since replaced it with one of the Placeracing ones.

I bought my stuff from Newman......Its a good kit and A/C is a <U>must</U>


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Timmayeg

anyone else?

Jonathan_ED3

I'm personally going with the HCP kit.

For a few reasons:

Placement of the engine farther towards the firewall for easy access to the a/c system or boost in the future.

A/C bracket now available (I've heard that it works with the Hasport kit, and that Hasport is also making their own bracket due out next summer...but HCP mounts, HCP bracket..I'd like to keep it all one brand)

The ability to have a 'bolt in' (relatively) kit in which I can return it to stock if wanted.

Price. Hasport is pretty expensive compared to the HCP kit.

Recommendations by the fellow people here at H-T.


The Hasport kit is nice....But i honestly don't see what warrents spending the extra money.

If you've got Hasport, great. If you're planning on getting, great. It's a great kit....but I'm going HCP.

brian g

The reason behind the difference in engine placemant between HCP and HASport.

The driving factor in the HCP placement is the "bolt-in aspect". With the HASport kit it was engine orientation.

If you place the H22 engine in the 92-95 Civic as high as you can for maximum ground clearance, as far back as you can for axle alignment and accessory clearance, and with the same orientation as it sits in the Prelude for optimum lubrication pick-up in both the trans and engine as designed by Honda, you have to remove the right-hand bracket from the framerail for shifter mechanism clearance.


HCP most likely thought, if we move the engine towards the driverside, stand the engine more upright, and put a big notch in the sheetmetal of the right-hand bracket we can make this a bolt in kit.

At Hasport we decided these factors, powersteering, proper oil pickup and increased ground clearance outweighed the convenience of using the right-hand framerail bracket.

Both companies weighed the pros and cons and came up with different solutions. It is up to the consumer to make his or her choice.

brian g

Elite Hatch

HA Sport is the best otherwise you will run into problems with axles and many other things that hinder h22 civics from being good daily drivers.

H22EK

i use hcp's kit in my daily driver h22 ek and i never have a problem

HCP=

todds94teg

on a eg with hcp mounts do you have to use any stock mounts from (prelude or civic)

Newman

With the HCP EG mounts, all you need is the rear 92-96 Prelude 5-spd tranny bracket. The rear mount bolts to the rear sub-crossmember, and the driver's side and passenger side HCP mounts bolt to your existing Civic chassis mount locations.


FYI... I hope this thread doesn't turn into a "get this cause it's better" or "screw abc, go with xyz" postings, but rather just informational posts.

JDM EG2

On an eg you have to hack the passenger side mount when using the HCP kit so the tranny can go into 5th and reverse if u don't 5th and reverse won't go in. I'm not sure about the other kits though. Does anyone have pics of there installs and of the passenger side mount of hasport and placeracing in an eg. I alraedy saw pics of the HCP kit and didn't like it that much due the the fact I would have to get the whole bracket replaced if I ever have to go b series or d series for some reason. It is hard to find pics of detailed installs. I'm surprised this swap isn't written up as a faq somewhere with pics yet!! The HCP ac bracket is a plus though!!!!


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brian g

It needs to be totally removed with both the Hasport and Place kits.

brian g

Nueman, I agree.


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SleepinAround

HCP!!! only cut about 2 inches from the passenger motor mount plus it gives an extra 2 - 3 inches from hasport for header clearance

Finest

Can someone post engine bay pictures from both HCP and Hasport mount kits? EG or EK. TIA!

thehatchninja

the big question......(for me anyways).....is p/s possible w/ HCP's kit?

SilverEk3dr

HCP kit.
http://www.geocities.com/whiterabbit...s/EK_pics.html



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Jason kiDD

My oppinions. I think HCP is good as I have never seen a H22 Hasport kit up close to compare. The ones I received seemed of good quality and manwork. The directions could use some adjustments or illustrations but its all good.

You do have to cut the tranny bracket in order to make room for the shifter assembly, however the engine (at least mines) sits less closer to the driver side shock tower and closer to the firewall giving a nice angle to the axles.. Overall I am satisfied with the setup with no real complaints..

If you guys want I can take some pictures later on when I reach home and post them for..

Jonathan_ED3

Post some pics Jason


Kinda OT, but I'm still curious about this....


Is it possible to replace the master cylinder/brake booster with the EG HCP kit while the engine is in place? Or does it interfere?

Just curious because it looks pretty tight from all the pictures I've seen.

Jason kiDD

Yeah there is plenty of room to change all of that stuff. Gonna take some pics once I get back from the barber then post them up. Stay tuned..

Timmayeg

how well does the stock shifter cover thing fit back over the lude/accord shifter assembly?

Jonathan_ED3

that's what I want to know

poison

92-95 stock center consoles don't fit over it. From seeing a 99-00 si/ex center console, they look like they fit just fine for 'stock' looking interior which is what I want to know as well.

I tried putting my center console on the prelude shifter and it doesn't quite up, the shifter is just a bit too wide.

the 99-00 si/ex center console does fit in EG/EJ's and looks nice

Newman

To answer some questions.....

http://www.JDMshit.com/h22a-clearance &lt;-- Some old picts but still a good reference of the HCP kit.


You can use it, but you're going to have to do some cutting in order to make it fit. Will it fit w/out any modification with the HCP kit? No, but IMO, it's not needed with a H-series swap in a Civic.


Yes, because we've done it already to my car while the motor was still in. FYI, you can still use a MC brace because it still fits in there (even though it looks like a tight fit).


I'm using the stock 92-95 Civic console and shifter cover and it fits fine. The only clearance issue that you may run into is the side clearances with the shifter assembly so I'm using an extra screw on each side to hold it in place. But otherwise, it's on my car, covering up the bracket and cables. On a 96+ Civic, the center console and shifter cover also fit, but the bottom of the cup holder needs to be trimmed a little bit or it'll rub against the cables.


Hope this helps.

misledyouth

i used the hcp kit with the front brace on my ek very good. fitmint was excellent. i have since sold it and in the next car it went into it also fit good. The only issue i had was it didn't tell you the right axle combo but i figured it out it;s the same as the hasport kit.

jesse