ekVtecPower

i have a 98 civic, and im planning on swapping a h22a on it.. and i searched and searched about this type of motor, but all i found was the basics as in HP, TORQUE SPECS AND OTHERS.. and i was also wondering if the H22 has a strong block for big horsepower? but couldnt find that related to this topic. if u guys could help me on this i would appriciate it.. THANKS!


Modified by ekVtecPower at 5:39 PM 4/2/2006

fwdtamiya

Sucks because: The FRM cylinder walls are weak. Alot of companys don't make pistons that won't eat them up. To my knowledge you can use JDM Type S, Mahle, and Jun. And flat out there is less aftermarket parts available compared to the B series. Low hanging oil pan, tight to squeeze in, axels may not last as long because of the angle at which the H sits with most mounts. Requires cutting of the shifter area, but there is an aftermarket short shifter company i believe that doesn't require you to cut the floor

Rocks because: 2nd in terms of stock power only to the K series now.


But it's always easy to see the negatives in things. Seriously though, there have been a billion threads about this. SEARCH DEEPER


Here are some threads i found in the main FAQ at the top of the page

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=362984

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=650329

k0rean4life

H22 definitly have power man. They are better drag than course though. They have some weak points though. Trannys gears are longer and arent as strong as B - series, also if you do go with the H22 swap change the tensior belt from automatic to Manual tensior belt. Those tend to be a big problem also. I have done a few h22 swaps if you have any questions I can try to help.

k0rean4life

They do make a kit now though that allows you to run a B-series tranny on a H22. H22A with a ITR tranny wuld be sick! Yeah cylinder walls are pretty weak to high horsepower in the H's. Even thoug they have a close deck they arent the best to boost either. Like the above poster, ur best going with Type S parts or even better Just try to get a hold a euro H. My buddy has one ran a 12.8 with header,intake ,exhaust, and slicks. Hope that helps you some what.

yeehonda

I think it has been proven many times that the h-series cylinder walls are not weak, it is the ringlands that are weak. With a good tune this should not be an issue. There just hasn't been a company (until recently in Mahle) that has made a good piston that won't score the FRM material. I have also never heard of a h-series tranny failing under high horsepower loads any more than a b-series (I may be wrong on this, someone chime in) I'm sure there are many threads that have pros and cons of h and b.

I think that they are both great platforms to make big power, but if you're going to do a turbo h-series i would recommend the closed deck block (92-95 i think) After that they are open deck. The major disadvantage of a h is the rarity of the OEM LSD tranny, and the inability to put a OEM LSD in a non-LSD case like you can with a b-series.

My opinion: H2B, search it.

instrument

where is this b-series h22 transmission mount adapter? i've heard of the bisimoto D series adapter...

fwdtamiya

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D series? WTf

Here's the H2B
http://www.quartersportsdrag.com/

BALLIN H22 EK

i have a h22a rebuilt with type S piston and cams I/H/E in my hatch and it has taken down any other NA stock motor ive raced...

i owned a type R hatch that ran 9.1s in the 1/8
i owned a WRX from a stop and on the highway
beat rsx type S wit I/H/E by 3 cars missing 3rd gear


only thing that sucks is the ground clrearence... oil pan, header, and tranny case will get beat up with a slammed drop

also the axles will bind on bumps and hard turns most likely

it is a fun motor to have

im done with the H tho im goin b16 boosted

instrument

where is this b-series h22 transmission mount adapter? i've heard of the bisimoto D series adapter...

Lightweight Boost

boost the mighty D cheaper and easier to mod and cheaper and funner unless you wanna have VTEC and did i mention cheaper ?
you can almost build the bottom end with some good stuff and build your own turbo kit for the cost of ecu axels mount kit , lsd (you will need this ) etcc....

fwdtamiya

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It's right here, it's 2 posts above you

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Here's the H2B
http://www.quartersportsdrag.com/</TD></TR></TABLE>

gofastindustries

u will always have problems breaking axles if u drop a h in yer civic and it never fits perfect, sometimes they even cut the firewall to put it in

instrument

hey, thanks for the link.
sorry for the double post.

this is the bisimoto dseries...its been out for a while.
http://www.bisimoto.com/wst_page10.html

thanks for the link.
how much?


Modified by instrument at 10:03 PM 4/4/2006

O RLY

I see it this way. If you're totally hardcore about building an all out strip driven Honda, the H is the way to go. Not that the B series isn't good. Its just that the H series will be much better <U>IF</U> you're looking to spend some cash. I dropped some Mahle 9.1:1 pistons and fully built my engine. Ready for boost, and on 28 psi, a daily driven Accord wagon H22 makes 625 whp and 450 ft/lbs or torque...he just can't hook up so the power is too much...

yeehonda

not to derail, but you made 625whp on stock sleeves?^^^^^

O RLY

Not me...a guy from the Pittsburgh area. He sleeved his block. I didn't, but I still plan to run 18 psi on race gas when racing.

2point2

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**** off.

2point2

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So the NSX and S2000 have "weak" sleeves too? Dont believe everything you hear..

IHateJDM

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Nope, Nope, and No.

yeehonda

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there is no reason to use mahle pistons if you sleeve the block.

skunked

BIG BLOCK BABY

O RLY

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there is no reason to use mahle pistons if you sleeve the block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OK...I didn't sleeve mine, I'm runnimg Mahles. He did sleeve his, I think he's running Arias or Ross. And, saying that the FRM sleeves are weak is only true when you go to boost the motor. But name me a stock Honda block that holds up against boost. People act like FRM sleeves are made of candy and just deteriorate or something. Do some research before you just so blatently say 'FRM SLEEVES SUCK!'...

skunked

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OK...I didn't sleeve mine, I'm runnimg Mahles. He did sleeve his, I think he's running Arias or Ross. And, saying that the FRM sleeves are weak is only true when you go to boost the motor. But name me a stock Honda block that holds up against boost. People act like FRM sleeves are made of candy and just deteriorate or something. Do some research before you just so blatently say 'FRM SLEEVES SUCK!'...</TD></TR></TABLE>

right, the only downside I see to the frm is the limited selection of pistons.