LshatchTurbo

I know its been done a butt load of times, but I happy to say I was able to do a swap of this kind. As a long time honda/acura fanatic lol, I done about every single type of swap. All b-series, built a ls/vtec, mini-me, but not a b20/vtec or h22 swap. I convinced my freind to go with this swap in his car (with my hidden agenda to get some experience doing a h22 swap), and in the end it is def. worth it. The car is retarded quick. I love the way this thing drives and with the LSD it helps alot with traction.

<U>Impressions</U>

I know people have seen h22 civic run slow times, but that doesnt do justice to the type of street power this car carries. Obviously traction issues contribute to the slow times at the track. From a roll its basicaly un-stoppable in all-motor form. Our other crew member has a pretty modified gsr EG hatch, and just got walked on from 35 mph roll and off the line. I have yet to race it but I am sure its going to give me a run for my money.

Also, I was driving my freinds Ek before he had the swap, and took a mental snap shot of how the car handled to compare it after the h22 was in. In my honest opinion, I can not tell any difference in handling. Maybe if I was bonified autox, I could, but I am still pretty confident I have the ability to gauge handling and it def seems uneffected. This is probably do to the fact that we installed a pretty nice suspension package on the car.

The swap was pretty straight forward, just a tad tedious, that might be a understatement. The engine is a pretty tight fit considering were using the HCP front cross member. Its literally 2mm or somethign like that from the spal fan. I knew dropping the engine would be the easy part, and running the shifter cables and assembly was actually pretty cool. The HCP mounts fit awesome. I was surprised how well it sat the engine in, although again its a tight *** install. The most difficult aspect I feel was the wiring. But being the wiring guru I am, I got it on the first try

All and all I did a butt load of research because thats my style. I am highly methodical when I do things. I just like to give thanks to ALL you guys that contributed information to this project. You know who guys know who you are.

My advice for anyone seriously considering this swap, go for it! Its worth it. Its really not tough at all. I did this swap in a freinds drive way over the weekend. Just be sure to research your *** off to make sure you got everything clear and get all the parts you need. In reality, you should research and get as much info about a anything before you tackle it. But thats another whole topic in it self.

<U>Car Stats</U>

1996 Civic Hatchback DX
S14 Front End Conversion
H22a w/ JDM LSD tranny
HCP Mount Kit
HCP axles
Skunk2 Cam gears
Tanabe Racing Medallion
Ghetto Intake
Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch
Clutchmaster flywheel
KYB AGX shocks
Ground Control
Thick *** strut bar.

P.S I know peeps on honda-tech dont like kits and all that stuff, so just ignore the front end and if any one has any questions let me know. I would be glad to help out.


<U>Pics</U>










[Modified by lshatchturbo, 8:29 PM 1/28/2003]

vivid02

To mount the H22 in there was any cutting or hammering of the frame involved? I think the only hole you have to cut is for the shifter cables right? How about the dist is it one with internal coil? Sorry for the questions is just that me and my bro have only done b-series swaps and are intrested in doing in H22 swap swap.

SkyeC

Ok, maybe I'm dumb to the world of H22As and swaps, but what the hell is that hole doing there?

LshatchTurbo

This was a OBD-1 motor, and it uses the internal coil, so we didnt have to mess around with all that. Also, most people said we needed to wire the resistor pack but in the end we didnt even need it. We even confirmed this with both place racing and hcp. The was absolutely no cutting of the frame to mount the kit. The only cutting we did was like you said... for the shifter cables, and its not like its a big hole or anything.

hehe on F and H series you check the timing directly on the flywheel compared to b series which you check the mark on the crank. I was just showing off the clutch masters fly wheel. Usually a rubber piece covers the whole.

Civic Rs

The VIN# has been repunched. Look at the H22a, it's not aligned and the vin# is not straight. The # are different then my jdm H22a. I can show you a picture.



[Modified by Civic Rs, 6:00 PM 1/28/2003]

LshatchTurbo

Well he got the motor from Hondamotorsonline.com. I dont know anything about that vin number ****, but it sure doesnt affect performance.

Civic Rs

yeah right but if it`s a repunch it`s because the vin # was not good... that means stolen in my mind some junkyards are specialists in this kind of repunched VIN#


[Modified by Civic Rs, 6:07 PM 1/28/2003]

LshatchTurbo

lol, this motor is not stolen lol. If you ever been to gainesville, fl you will know theres not many places to jack a car and store yet alone ditch the car. I am no junk yard specialist lol or thief, that just makes me laugh. I am a grad student in the CISE dept at UF though. So calm down if you have problem with the motor contact steve at hmotorsonline.com and take it up with him. Tell him Jeremy sent you. This post is suppose to be informative and help out the community, not full of assumptions.

Just trying to help out..then the haters step in..
...nods head....


[Modified by lshatchturbo, 1:12 PM 1/28/2003]

Civic Rs

I never said that you are a thief !!! But this engine has been repunch for 1 reason.... anyway a lot of people have repunch engine and dont no anything about it !! I said that for you or your friend. I will not call at any place for this.. it`s not MY problem

LshatchTurbo

thats cool, i seriously didnt know what repunch and **** was. Yea for a second i thought you were calling me a thief and I dont like that to much. We dont even know each other. Either way thanks for the heads up, maybe we call and see what steve says about this.

vivid02

It does not look repunched to me. Did you guys convert the car to obd1?

Civic Rs

if you want to see a real VIN# not repunch check mine and compare you will see the difference
http://membres.lycos.fr/hondacivic/swap1/DSCN0202.JPG
I dont put the picture here because the pic are too big
BTW good review about the swap

trickeng

#'s are punch because they seem to be misaligned. are you serious??? where does it state that those #'s should be aligned with each other. NOWHERE!!!

plus its a JDM motor. MMMMM does anyone on this site have access to Japan's DMV to match those #'s too. OH, and where on your registration do you see the #'s under the H22A.
not on my MA nor my NH registration. so what would the benefit be to changing those #'s.

sorry to freak out but there is no clear tampering in that pic and to imply there is. is retarded.


Swap looks sweet. good job. did you run obd1 or 2. i kept mine obd2 and it sucked to wire.

Civic Rs

yeah your right I`m retarded .... you never think that is easy to take USDM engine and punch JDM # lol You never saw the B18k on this board You dont need to be Einstein to compare my VIN# and the other one ..... you can think what you want I dont care, I know that`s a regular practice in some junkyard to modify the VIN# !!!!!

toy187

he's not saying that it's a repunch because the numbers are not aligned....he's saying it's a repunch because the font is not the same! look at the vin #s posted above and then look at the vin in the link that Civic RS posted...you will see they are clearly not the same...the ones posted here look like they were handwritten!

also....the picture that Civic RS linked to....is not just a picture he found on the web....it's a picture of his jdm H22a that he swapped himself into his car!


[Modified by toy187, 8:31 PM 1/28/2003]

JDM92CX

Great review

DOMKID

iTrader: (1)

how much was the overall cost of the swap including the mounts? this seems like a smarter and more efficient swap than a b18c1. Did your buddy race the gsr off the line? if so, who won?

trickeng

of course the font isn't the same. i just looked at 5 motors i have sitting around and the font on all of them is exactly like that.

and where do you see a " VIN#".

paulzy

iTrader: (1)

Nice review...So does the clutchmasters flywheel have teh timing mark on it?

trickeng

the clutchmaster flywheel does have the timing mark. and the H22 is way more expensive to install than a B18c1. much more time consuming also.

junglerunna

Good info thanks alot, I will take it into consideration when my motor comes. Since mine is going into a 99 coupe does any of your imformation not apply to or is it all the same?

toy187

by vin # we mean the serial number below the engine code. When you say that you checked 5 motors and they all have the same font....you mean the same as the H22a you have or the one Civic RS posted? look at the last nine...it looks like it was written by hand!

I am sure Civic RS didn't write that to talk bad about you guys or to try and start anything....he's just trying to help out! We have some friends around here who bought engines from scrap yards because they didn't want anything to do with stolen things...and well...they ended buying motors with repunched serials. I dunno if the laws are the same where you guys are from...but around here if you get caught with any hot stuff in your car....you can say bye bye to your car! All he was saying is that if you bought the engine from a shop...it might be a good idea to look into it so you don't have any bad surprises some day. The reason why his posts might have sounded a little harsh at first is because he doesn't speak english very well.




[Modified by toy187, 9:26 PM 1/28/2003]

LshatchTurbo

I just got back from class sorry for delays in answer questions. Anyways since this whole crap about the vin number was brought up whatever it being punched, i decided to go look at the again cause the angle of the shot was for the flywheel, not the numbers or whatever. I just have to laugh cause the whole reason it looks jacked up in that picture cause there is dirt in the numbers and it appears to be punched in with a different machine or whatever. After cleaning it out it looks just the same way as the pic that is linked.....but anyways i seriously didnt write this write up to get caught on vin numbers. That was not the intent. So please just drop it and get back to talking about technical aspects of the swap.

Anyways to answer some questions... yes the car was converted to OBD-1. We are using the p13 ecu.

The clutchmaster flywheel that we have only has the stock 15 degrees timing mark on it. If your familiar with b-series, you know that the crank has 14-16-18 degree marks. I have a digital timing light so I could adjust in accordingly.

Cost wise...the h22 swap is going to be more than the B18C, atleast in my experience because basicaly a GSR swap is a bolt in, and depending what year your engine is, plug and play. We replaced some stuff, such as the timing belts, several after market parts in, like the clutch, flywheel, cam gears.. some other stuff. So basicaly after all said and done its I calculate he probably spent 4500 bucks total. Obviously since we did it saved labor. The price includes renting the hoist and all that good stuff. We did get some good deals so price could vary.
TrickEng is right, it is def. more time consuming, but its just tedious, not impossible.

The question about the 99 coupe, I dont see why it would not be the same. Its basicaly the same car engine wise.

Jonathan_ED3

I've got a 9 in my code on my h22..

It looks just like the one that's been 'written by hand'...

...every honda 9 I've seen looks exactly like that.....as in it 'doesn't line up'.

LshatchTurbo

Read this update....

So today I, laugHin22CX was asking me some questions about vibrations or anything under acceleration and braking. Since the swaps been in for about a month, and when i was driving it, which I do often, I didnt feel anything of the sort. So after laugHin22CX posted a question about the vibration in the EG forum, I decide this evening to hit up my freind and ask if hes been feeling anything lately....and this iis what happened :


The swaps been in for a while for I havent got to notice some thing cause I dont drive the car everyday... Anyways I was asking my freind if he has been feeling any vibrations. And he said yes. So I go back over there and we go for a test ride see whats up. Low and behold I feel the vibrations under acceleration and and slowing down. So i went ahead and jacked the car up, and the freaking CV axle is falling apart LOL. I cant believe this. We have had these axles in for a month at most
The story gets even better.... so we called up HCP and told them what happened. We been talking to this guy Jeremy up at HCP the last couple weeks asking about the swap and stuff like that. Anyways we ask for him and tell him whats up, and starts giving us attitude (obviously after we buy the parts) and saying like we didnt install the axles right blah blah blah, and he cant help us out with out the axles. At this point, this is pissing us off the type attitude we were getting and the whole time getting patronized was not cool. So he gives the phone to the manager and the manager is every WORSE THAN THIS ***. This guy is suppose to be a proffesional, and is using harsh language with us, even though we have not said a single curse word.

He ends up hanging up on us and we call back and hes like cursing at us saying thats there nothing than can do. All and all the fact that there POS "CUSTOM" axles broke and now my friend has to replace it is one thing, but giving the type of un-proffesional attitude and using harsh language..to me thats just childish.

H22 swap hell yea !!

Using HCP

Maybe there the cheapest for a reason........

Get place racing or hasport ...atleast they will help you even at post purchase.