F2D / H2D F20B swap build thread for my 94 hatch (now H23VTEC)
02-08-2007, 11:29 PM
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F2D / H2D F20B swap build thread in my 94 hatch
Argh, I said I wouldn't create one of these threads. But I get sick of IMing all of you dudes the same thing lol. So here goes.
Synopsis: F20B engine mated with a custom D trans in my hatch
It's technically a F-series engine, but because it is externally the same as a h22 (same timing belt, cam gears, valvecover, intake manifold, etc etc) So it's something inbetween a H and an F. F2D or H2D aka whatever you want to call it.
Specs of the engine:
F20B
Accord/Troneo Sir and Sir-T (CF4) (JDM)197hp@7200/145tq@6600
notes: (ported head and type-s cams(12.1, 11.2 lift), 2.0L block 11:1cr 85mm pistons
85mm bore
88mm stroke
145.5mm rods (f20b rod length = 145.425)
1.65 r/s ratio
55mm mains like h22a4 block
rod journal has been offset ground on both sides to the size of a b-series rod journal.
11.0:1cr
smaller, b-series rod journals
beefy rod, like a s2000
23mm wrist pin
I picked this thing up off of ebay for a decent price
The transmission will be my custom D trans:
Specs of my trans:
D16Z6 Transmission
1st - D16Y8
2nd - D16Y8
3rd - MFactory
4th - DX/Si 3rd gear from cable 88-91 trans
5th - MFactory
Final - D16Z6/D16Y8
all new bearings,seals,etc
Quaife LSD
Ratios
1st = 3.25
2nd = 1.909
3rd = 1.565
4th = 1.259
5th = 1.000
Final = 4.25
Additional mods will be
Euro R manifold
Cheap Ebay header, 2.5" exhaust, some other bs for now
whale ***** intake
Bisimoto F/H2D adapter plate, ACT HDSS Clutch/Pressure Plate kit
I'm gonna update this with more technical stuff but I don't want to just drop it all in right here
HUGE THANKS TO THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
Mista Bone - the trans god
Bisimoto - f2d god
Aaron Hillman - always two steps ahead of me!
Ranta18 - great h2d info
JDogg - the only guy on here that can answer my f20b questions!
Skunked - lots of good info about your h2b stuff is helping me out here
Soccerking3000 - aka coolest screen name ever. So, about those -AN fittings....
Rosko - for the AWESOME iacv adapter plate!!!
you guys have helped me out a lot with providing knowledge/info.@
Synopsis: F20B engine mated with a custom D trans in my hatch
It's technically a F-series engine, but because it is externally the same as a h22 (same timing belt, cam gears, valvecover, intake manifold, etc etc) So it's something inbetween a H and an F. F2D or H2D aka whatever you want to call it.
Specs of the engine:
F20B
Accord/Troneo Sir and Sir-T (CF4) (JDM)197hp@7200/145tq@6600
notes: (ported head and type-s cams(12.1, 11.2 lift), 2.0L block 11:1cr 85mm pistons
85mm bore
88mm stroke
145.5mm rods (f20b rod length = 145.425)
1.65 r/s ratio
55mm mains like h22a4 block
rod journal has been offset ground on both sides to the size of a b-series rod journal.
11.0:1cr
smaller, b-series rod journals
beefy rod, like a s2000
23mm wrist pin
I picked this thing up off of ebay for a decent price
The transmission will be my custom D trans:
Specs of my trans:
D16Z6 Transmission
1st - D16Y8
2nd - D16Y8
3rd - MFactory
4th - DX/Si 3rd gear from cable 88-91 trans
5th - MFactory
Final - D16Z6/D16Y8
all new bearings,seals,etc
Quaife LSD
Ratios
1st = 3.25
2nd = 1.909
3rd = 1.565
4th = 1.259
5th = 1.000
Final = 4.25
Additional mods will be
Euro R manifold
Cheap Ebay header, 2.5" exhaust, some other bs for now
whale ***** intake
Bisimoto F/H2D adapter plate, ACT HDSS Clutch/Pressure Plate kit
I'm gonna update this with more technical stuff but I don't want to just drop it all in right here
HUGE THANKS TO THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
Mista Bone - the trans god
Bisimoto - f2d god
Aaron Hillman - always two steps ahead of me!
Ranta18 - great h2d info
JDogg - the only guy on here that can answer my f20b questions!
Skunked - lots of good info about your h2b stuff is helping me out here
Soccerking3000 - aka coolest screen name ever. So, about those -AN fittings....
Rosko - for the AWESOME iacv adapter plate!!!
you guys have helped me out a lot with providing knowledge/info.
@
02-08-2007, 11:48 PM
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Re: F2D swap build thread in my 94 hatch (Bense)
<FONT SIZE="3">Euro Manifold Modification has been moved to here</FONT>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1960750
edit on like may 26 2007 4:22pm EST
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1960750
edit on like may 26 2007 4:22pm EST
02-09-2007, 12:00 AM
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I have gathered a lot of info so what I think is required is:
1. grind back of block for axle fitment
2. fabricate pull style slave cylinder bracket
3. remove balance the gears that are on the balance shafts
4. move crank pulley inboard
5. fabricate alternator brackets for D alternator and relocated crank pulley (or purchase one from QSD)
6. relocate oil drain plug to frontside of oil pan
8. lengthen wires on D-series harness for alternator relocation
7. bend stock h22 header
8. use euro-R intake manifold ***
9. lower whole engine/trans assembly by placing washers between pass side trans mount + trans
10. hammer shock tower for timing belt clearance
11. cut valve cover to allow shock tower clearance
12. Fabricate drivers side mount
1. grind back of block for axle fitment
2. fabricate pull style slave cylinder bracket
3. remove balance the gears that are on the balance shafts
4. move crank pulley inboard
5. fabricate alternator brackets for D alternator and relocated crank pulley (or purchase one from QSD)
6. relocate oil drain plug to frontside of oil pan
8. lengthen wires on D-series harness for alternator relocation
7. bend stock h22 header
8. use euro-R intake manifold ***
9. lower whole engine/trans assembly by placing washers between pass side trans mount + trans
10. hammer shock tower for timing belt clearance
11. cut valve cover to allow shock tower clearance
12. Fabricate drivers side mount
02-09-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: (Bense)
i had read it was a waste of money a while back to swap an F series...but hell looks cool to me and a lot differant.
hows the motor mounts? just like a b-series or do they require a little custom fab?
hows the motor mounts? just like a b-series or do they require a little custom fab?
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02-09-2007, 12:11 AM
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Re: (Pr0ject93hb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pr0ject93hb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i had read it was a waste of money a while back to swap an F series...but hell looks cool to me and a lot differant.
hows the motor mounts? just like a b-series or do they require a little custom fab?</TD></TR></TABLE>
This f20b unlike the usual f-series is rated at 197hp stock which is about 40hp more than the strongest F23.
The mounts are all d-series mounts, with the exception of the custom fabricated drivers side mount.
My plan is to totally steal the H2B idea of making an engine bracket like this H2B one and making it to fit the D mount. Leaving me with stock d-series mounts all the way around. Stock d-series axles, stock d-series shift linkage, etc, etc
The idea here is to make use of the D trans that I had already built. This will basically be like bolting a hell of a d-series engine into the car. I am making it to fit everything d-series. That's one of the main reasons I went with the euro manifold, because it's a single runner manifold with none of that added clutter(besides the fact that it yields 6-8whp)
I will retain the stock d-series alternator as well I'll just have to lengthen my alternator wires and swap injector clips to obd2 clips
hows the motor mounts? just like a b-series or do they require a little custom fab?</TD></TR></TABLE>
This f20b unlike the usual f-series is rated at 197hp stock which is about 40hp more than the strongest F23.
The mounts are all d-series mounts, with the exception of the custom fabricated drivers side mount.
My plan is to totally steal the H2B idea of making an engine bracket like this H2B one and making it to fit the D mount. Leaving me with stock d-series mounts all the way around. Stock d-series axles, stock d-series shift linkage, etc, etc
The idea here is to make use of the D trans that I had already built. This will basically be like bolting a hell of a d-series engine into the car. I am making it to fit everything d-series. That's one of the main reasons I went with the euro manifold, because it's a single runner manifold with none of that added clutter(besides the fact that it yields 6-8whp)
I will retain the stock d-series alternator as well
I'll just have to lengthen my alternator wires and swap injector clips to obd2 clips
02-09-2007, 12:18 AM
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all right CA guys, I'm going to sleep. I got lots of junk to clean out of the shed tommorow to help prepare for more F2D PROGRESS!
02-09-2007, 08:46 AM
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Re: (Eran)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you manage too find a beefier aftermarket ISB? That's my one concern of your uber tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think that the most common reason that the ISB fails is due to oil starvation. It's not a bearing that gives out due to excessive load. I add 2qts to my trans instead of the 1.9 or whatever, that should help.
Bone has never had an ISB failure, ever. I think it's cause he actually changes his trans fluid.
I think that the most common reason that the ISB fails is due to oil starvation. It's not a bearing that gives out due to excessive load. I add 2qts to my trans instead of the 1.9 or whatever, that should help.
Bone has never had an ISB failure, ever. I think it's cause he actually changes his trans fluid.
02-09-2007, 08:47 AM
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Re: (Bense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I think that the most common reason that the ISB fails is due to oil starvation. It's not a bearing that gives out due to excessive load. I add 2qts to my trans instead of the 1.9 or whatever, that should help.
Bone has never had an ISB failure, ever. I think it's cause he actually changes his trans fluid. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Point well taken. I would just hate to see such a masterpiece have to be cracked open every 100K.
I think that the most common reason that the ISB fails is due to oil starvation. It's not a bearing that gives out due to excessive load. I add 2qts to my trans instead of the 1.9 or whatever, that should help.
Bone has never had an ISB failure, ever. I think it's cause he actually changes his trans fluid. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Point well taken. I would just hate to see such a masterpiece have to be cracked open every 100K.
02-09-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: (Eran)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Point well taken. I would just hate to see such a masterpiece have to be cracked open every 100K.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It will probably be cracked open more than that. But by choice. I'm too indecisive on what gearing setup I want. Even still, it's a $16 part that tends to go out after ~130K+ miles. Mine should last longer with the added oil, so we'll see. But I can't imagine putting 130k on this thing for a LONG time.
I got my explicit speed alternator bracket in today. It's kinda stupid. I have about 4 years of welding/fabrication experience, and I'm not even using my experience to make this stuff myself, I just don't wanna deal with it. hahahah
they can be found here
http://www.explicitspeedperformance.net/H22Aalt.html
GREAT customer service and they even gave me printed out instructions, directions and everything. John & Dan Gordon went out of their way to be as helpful as possible
this doesn't directly pertain to the project, but I moved a lot of junk out of the way to give myself room for working on the project. This was such a huge deal lol. It's funny because these are the types of things that we all have to deal with during big projects like this.
It will probably be cracked open more than that. But by choice. I'm too indecisive on what gearing setup I want. Even still, it's a $16 part that tends to go out after ~130K+ miles. Mine should last longer with the added oil, so we'll see. But I can't imagine putting 130k on this thing for a LONG time.
I got my explicit speed alternator bracket in today. It's kinda stupid. I have about 4 years of welding/fabrication experience, and I'm not even using my experience to make this stuff myself, I just don't wanna deal with it. hahahah
they can be found here
http://www.explicitspeedperformance.net/H22Aalt.html
GREAT customer service and they even gave me printed out instructions, directions and everything. John & Dan Gordon went out of their way to be as helpful as possible
this doesn't directly pertain to the project, but I moved a lot of junk out of the way to give myself room for working on the project. This was such a huge deal lol. It's funny because these are the types of things that we all have to deal with during big projects like this.
02-09-2007, 04:29 PM
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Bense you are an inspiration when you start a project. Your tranny is badass. But what ever happened to your built D15Z1? I haven't been keeping up with this site lately cause my dad passed away on Jan. 8th. I really enjoy your projects cause they are always different and seem to be really great ideas. Good luck with the project and if you ever come around PA let me know.
