8993civtegraSI

Looking for opinions on what motor swap to take for running on the track... I know some about both h22 and f22 however nothing about b18... Could really use a track racers opinion... Also the car is a mildly modfied 89 civic si.. Thanks

pimpwagon

Seriously? The track? You do know there are many types of tracks for different kind of racing, right? What do you plan to do? I hear the Texas mile is fun...

JuggerNaut-CTR

How so? Wanna see the relevance of that statement.


Also sounds like you know nothing about any of the motors you have listed. A h or f swap is not for beginners in that chassis.

8993civtegraSI

First off jugger no need to be angry
.second.Pimp you could be less rude if i had know.members on the forum were asses i wouldnt ask.. Im a noob no reason for you to be an ***... Now for my response.
I have been interested in racing on circuit tracks if thats what they are called ( the ones where you dont go in circles or straight down a pathetic 1/4 mile) next.. I only know what i have read about the motors... My readings lead me to believe the.f22 has bigher torque but less hp than h22 and b18.. But is more reliable

90RioEF

Your handling would be awful with that heavy engine in an ef, plus the statement above is very true. About the 'not for beginner' part.
Edit:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/88-91-crx-ef-civic-frequently-asked-questions-faqs-1508680/
this is a very good sticky to check out

8993civtegraSI

I am a beginner as far as racing goes not mechanics... Im no professional but my buddy and i have worked on cars for quite awhile... We came up with the idea of those 3 motors and i was asking for simple opinions. Which motor are you refering to thatbwould be to heavy rio?... I honestly dont know many of the specs on the motors

8993civtegraSI

Thanks rioef that is very helpful

EFlovin'

You don't know much about Honda's so the B18 swap(What B18 are you talking about? B18a,b18b,B18c1,B18c5,B18C?) would be easiest. You would need to go turbo to make decent power. This swap would also be the cheapest/easiest.

The H22: I am not a N/a guy, so I still say turbo,but I do admit h22's make good power NA especially if you go H2b which you should for the shorter gearing. The H22 has FRM sleeves, so you need to resleeve the engine and get iron sleeves. To get this swap to fit you need to do some pounding on the frame and some other pounding to get the alternator to fit, or you have to buy a relocation kit.

f22- I don't know much about, but I am pretty sure they have the least aftermarket support and I flat out would rather have a h22, B-series, K series, etc. Just my opinion.

F22Master

This is your first honda swap (right?), so go B series. I would stay N/A for circuit racing. I would go either B16A or B18C(any B18C). You want high revs and short gearing, so make sure you do NOT end up with an LS (B18A or B) transmission! A B series EF swap is pretty simple and will be quick enough. Then work on Tires, Brakes, and Suspension. No cut springs or Ebay sleeves on the track! If you are looking to do serious racing, then gut the car and weld in a cage. After that, go for weight reduction. Stripped down doors, and bust out the hole saw lol

8993civtegraSI

Lol not going crazy racing... Want it street drivable also... The guy i bought it feom was a harfcore ricer so i have alot if.mods to remove because they are destroying the car... For example he took out the evap system and removed the power steering but didnt put a manual rack in.

facciol93

I agree with F22 master.
i'd go for a b18 with a mild cam, nice 2.75" exhaust, bc valvetrain and a good head job as far as engine is concerned. keep it simple and reliable. then focus on getting that power to the ground.

JuggerNaut-CTR

Ummm...how am I angry? Dont see how that could have rustled your jimmies, was just stating something.

I already know you wont answer the question, since you couldnt answer my first one.

pimpwagon

I just don't understand how someone could make such a broad statement and expect lucid answers in return. The only way to properly answer you questions is to ask the pertinent ones in return. Helping is no problem at all. But you have to actually ask something one can answer.
What do you mean by circuit? Like autocross, or like limerock?

JuggerNaut-CTR

Yet another naive person...

Why do so many people say the h22 is so heavy? And awful handleing because a whopping 35 extra lbs over a bseries??? Yeah...okay

90RioEF

Well I mean simply for track. It will make a difference, and you wouldn't need all the power of that monster, a b series would do fine.

JuggerNaut-CTR

Well you simply mean you dont know what you are talking about. H series cars including a ef, handle fine on the track. No where even close to awful. I bet you have zero first hand experience with that motor in that chassis...

HiProfile

A b18 with a full radiator and power steering will be just as heavy as an F22 with a half-rad and no P/S. Hell a fat driver will throw off a finely tuned 2000lb car more than 35lb over the nose. And if done right (H2B), that weight will be further back in the nose since the H/F lean back 2" further than any B-series. FYI a basic F22 will make the same HP as a b18b1, but it will come 1k rpm sooner and be accompanied with 30% more low & mid-range torque.

In any case, if it's your first track car, a b18 into an EF will be a lot easier. You want to learn to drive the track before you try for the engine to do it for you. Keep it stock, see how it goes, then think about either a dohc vtec head swap or an H2B. H2B is where you mate an F22 or H22 to a b-series clutch/flywheel/transmission.