alterdcreations

Is anybody using gsr rod bolts in their f22/h22 rods??
and if so what are you revving to?

alterdcreations

you guys are spinning those gsr rods to 10,000 rpms but they have a shorter stroke
i have a 95mm stroke..
bump for some info

ESP-net

in my build with H22 rods I was able to use ARP's 9mm GSR 94-97 rod bolts cleared fine...for the f22 I believe they are 8mm? if so the LS 8mm ARP rod bolts may work? correct me if I am wrong...

alterdcreations

I checked the part numbers and they were the same

alterdcreations

13213-ME2-000
same for both
esp-net what are you revving to?
i will be using a f22 crank and rods

ESP-net

It's in my h22 engine...stock internals...

Don't rev where it doesn't make power...a dyno will clue you in...at the least use ARP rod bolts and balance...balance...balance...don't expect it to last as long as a h22 engine either...

7500-7700 at most the added RPM from the F22/H23 stock redline 6500 will be the killer over time...using the H22 oil squirters will be necessary...again for longevity...as I always recommend build it once...

alterdcreations

it is a h22 engine so it has the squirters in their already.
maybe coated beatings (rod/main) and a high flow oil pump.
7500rpms should be high enough.
but they spin bearings so with the coated one maybe 8000?
and yes the dyno will tell me where i make power but sometimes you just need alittle extre

alterdcreations

From what i seen the main problem with the rpm capibility of the h22 as spun bearings.
or lack of oil lubracation. endyne and kms have higher flowing pump rebuilds and i was thinking about it. Teamed up with coated bearings i know it will last long (75,000miles)plus gain more hp and revs. i might try to go 8000 as a set limit.
do you think a block gaurd would help out?

ESP-net

Yes an aftermarket oil pump that can flow more is always a good idea...

Here is a good build up plan...that could be reliable...OEM pistons are good for a few reasons but mostly is they work...OS OEM pistons don't last as long...so if you can get away with using STD size pistons then do it...On the H22A FRM blocks if there is lil to none scratches and each cyl mics out okay as far as wear... don't be afraid to re-ring it with STD OEM pistons but with only the NEW STD OEM Honda rings...Use atleast a .050-.060 headgasket for proper valve to piston clearance F22/H23 crank and rods swap will raise the piston out of the hole .020 main reason for thicker headgasket. If your head is milled you will need to take that into consideration as well...

JDM H22A Type S pistons with OEM Honda rings (crucial for engine survival with re-ring) Make sure you determine if your OEM pistons are Type Bs or As
.050-.060 headgasket
JDM H22A Type S cams, you could possibly keep your stock valvetrain
3 angle valve job if head has a lot of miles on it, if you have dough upgrade the valvesprings and retainers at the least
F22/H23 crank and rods make sure crank and rods turn out okay, put in ARP rod bolts and get them re sized. Added insurance is getting them shotpenned.
ACL or OEM bearings will work fine...bearings aren't that crucial as far as coatings etc but the right sized bearing for the job is crucial. Honda's crucial.
Run aftermarket Oil Pump
Run the H22A oil squirters if you can bend them out of the way around the assembly...

alterdcreations

i might try a thicker head gasket like .073 cosmic and run gude regrinds. right now i will be running auto cams
and yeah the head is milled

alterdcreations

maybe next year i will run come custom cams and a different head
if i want to go to 9000rpms do you think that the physical rod will break or the bearings would go first or the arp bolts will fail?
i am hoping the rod bolts hold up. i currently have a opputunity to lighten the crank and get some ultralight rods but that will push me into january. i might get a f22a dohc and put that into the car for now and properly build the h22a block.

here is my plan
h22a4 block + kms block gaurd
kms or endyne high flow oil pump
calico coated bearings
probe ultra light h23 rods or arp rod bolts in f22 rods or carrillo
type-s pistons.
now i want physical engine to with stand 9000 rpms. that would be the limit.
i will throw some cam regrinds in untill next year.
then i will switch over the head for somthing more aggressive.
now
what about the rods?

alterdcreations

well 9 grand may be a little much but here the final assembley
h22 block
f22 crank/ rods
arp bolts
type s pstons
coated bearings
eynde oil pump
milled head .030
cosmic .051 head gasket
compression should be 12.7 to one maybe 13/1
rev to 8500 max
if i dont have enough clearence then i will use i thicker one or add a layer or two

high_revs

i revved my f23, stock bottom end with rsx-s pistons to 7500 for 5,000 miles and it was fine...beat the **** out the car too....i dont think you can push it to 9k for too long, but 8500 or 8200 you might be able to do it....but anyways theres no point in revving the engine higher then after it stops making power....

where can you get one of those oil pumps?

h22apwrdcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SB tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i revved my f23, stock bottom end with rsx-s pistons to 7500 for 5,000 miles and it was fine...beat the **** out the car too....i dont think you can push it to 9k for too long, but 8500 or 8200 you might be able to do it....but anyways theres no point in revving the engine higher then after it stops making power....

where can you get one of those oil pumps?</TD></TR></TABLE>


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Modified by h22apwrdcivic at 9:05 AM 12/10/2006


Modified by h22apwrdcivic at 9:05 AM 12/10/2006

high_revs

thanx

h22apwrdcivic

no problem

alterdcreations

they definatly do good work out their and i trust them.
with the calico coating and arp rod bolts i am sure that i wont have any problems
at 8500 as long as its making power,and i am sure it will.
i might throw gude cams, the higher rpm one