Rex_Dragon

Ok. I have found a great deal on a Integra LS that has been rolled and I can get the whole car for $500. I currently own a CRX with a B16A. Should I purchase the wrecked Integra and build an Ls/Vtec??? Is it really worth it?? or should I just keep the setup that I got?? What kind of horsepower does a stock Ls/vtec put out??
Thanks for any input on this Question.
Mike


[Modified by Rex_Dragon, 4:20 PM 3/24/2003]

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LSVTEC turbo rules

Rex_Dragon

Well,,,Just put together with stock internals will it put out more horses than my stock B16A????

Ehron

According to physics it should.

Rex_Dragon

Ehron,
I was hoping for a more specific answer.....yeah I would probably figure that the ls/vtec would put out more HP than a B16A, But like how much more?? I mean if its like 20 hp difference then it isn't worth it to me.
Does anyone know what kind HP a na ls/vtec put out, or are you guys just saying Damn its better than a B16A??? Come on!!!

madmatt

Well aside from the gain in horsepower, most people build ls/vtecs for the torque increase. It is a lot more displacement than a b16 and will create more torque than a b16 ever will(unless u spend loads of cash) Ls/vtec's are less reliable and cant safely be revved to like 8 grand+. They cost lots of money(well considerably more than a b16). If it were me id prolly wait a while longer since the conversion is just kinda becoming very popular to see if people find out more about how to reliably run these engines. May i suggest a b18c?Just my 2 cents

ITRacer121

when al else is equal there is NO replacement for displacement
wow now Im gonna grow a mullet and trade my honda for a mustang
boy howdy

Rex_Dragon

Thanks for the input Madmatt that was informative. Im not trying to build something I have to work on more than I drive. I've found that my stock B16A is very dependable as for an everyday driven car.
ITRacer ;sounds tempting to go with the Ls/vtec but I want reliability.
Need to be like everyother Redneck in Tennessee and get a Mustang Yee Frecken Haa!!!!

CRX_VTEC

1. buy the teg.
2. part it out.
3. use $$ to buy turbo
4. the end.

ITRacer121

you can have reliability with an LS Vtec

kill bill

you can take a ls block to 8k...and how high do u think u can safely take your stock b16 anyway? as a wise old domestic guy once said to me "there is no replacement for displacement"

turbodsmpower

can someone please explain how an lsvtec in not reliable other than someone not putting the correct parts in the motor. I have one my buddy has one both driven on a daily basis but he has pushed that car past 8500 daily hasnt had one problem w/ the motor. He has one leaky oil pan gasket due to a faulty gasket. I just recently have mine installed and runs great. Im in the break in process but guaranteed has more torque than any b16 around. It feels like it wants to spin tires from 2-5k. I dont leak a drop of oil or coolant and will spin mine to the 9k range for the cams i have. Whoever tells you that is not reliable either
1. Has never driven in one
2. has never built one w/ the right parts
3. is afraid because of what "he said she said crap."

i have like 2500 in mine and cant seem to justify spending more on a type r motor and going slower. sorry maybe a little more than my .02 cents

just tired of people saying dont do one cause it will blow.

Rex_Dragon

Thanks Guys for all the comments. Hell, im defiantly going to buy the teg, could always use the motor later. As for the ls/vtec question guess i'll have to quit relying on all this he said she said bull and just go with my instict. (no replacement for displacement) i've heard that old saying too.
Hey Turbodsmpower, is there any sugestions you can give me on parts list or web sites that give instrutions on assembly of an Ls/vtec.
And thanks again for all the comments.
Later
Mike

Baltz

Sounds about right...I swear them hicks and there mustangs...never ending story...

turbodsmpower

here is a link to my setup currently. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=440678
i will get pics up soon so everyone can see on my thread. The car is in current break in period..

Picking the right machine shop for the work is extremely important checking clearances again and again is also vital to making your setup potent. everything in my motor has all well w/ in spec clearances are beautiful. Also assembly is an important part of building a motor correctly. Everyone says "oh its all the same when you assemble " wrong its different little things to pay attention to everymotor is going to be different. When and after you get your stuff machined check it yourself you will need special tools to do this you may have to buy them you may borrow them from someone you know. (micrometers, measuring calipers ect.) yah the machine did there job but did they do it correctly. lucky for me i have a shop that is dead on, and most of them are pretty good. Another thing is the parts you decide to put into the motor dont get cheap buy good quaility parts and parts that have been proven. If you want to go fast dont look at what the guys are doing in the 12-13 sec range. do what the guys are doing in the 10 sec range. They use it works good they produce the numbers. Now im not saying go w/ sleeved block and go w/ mad high compression or anything just do and use what has been proven and what your goals are.

My goals are to run 12's and 200+ whp i may not do it on what i have done so far but i will get there. i have a good basic understanding and what it will take to get there.
I can tell you the best source on knowledge has been my friends dad and searching on the web talking w/ people that have done it. One site i have found helpful is http://www.theoldone.com. I basically followed what he did in his 2.o liter buildup just doing w/ lsvtec.

I love it my motor sounds factory and runs stought. I will update as it gets broken in but for now im happy w/ the choice i made. im sure you will be too. Also on a last note take your time no rush if your b16 runs good enjoy it i had one and thats were i started.

GOOD LUCK

Rex_Dragon

Hell Ya,,,,,, I understand Completely what u mean about the machine work, I took a Machine trades course for 2yrs and worked in that feild for 3yrs. so I have all the measuring tools that are required. Thanks for the link it is very informative , and i will be looking for your update on your motor setup in the future.
Goodluck ,,Mike

schtozo

my friend is actually doing 12.17@109mph with his all motor ls/vtec crx drag car. running on alcohol
other friend is doing 13.2@104mph with his daily driver hatch on gasoline
and does 11.73@113mph with 115 sqeeze juice.
i haven`t taken mine to the track cause i`m still setting the **** out of it but i`ll break to low 13`s for sure.
hope that helps on changing your mind.