b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat.
12-03-2003, 12:35 AM
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b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat.
my smog is due in jan. at a test only center, seems like i'm one out of the portion-chosen ones in highly poluted LA county. I won't have a car to drive in the next year if i can't get this darn swap smog somehow. can't afford to go back single cam or other legit swaps. what can i do?
Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Here are some tips to keep you and your customers on the straight and narrow.
Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.
When rebuilding an engine, it must be rebuilt to the original equipment specifications. However, if you do decide to change the engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.
Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes -- not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.
Remember also, state and federal anti-tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.
California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49-state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.
Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust - controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.
Classification
"Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle."
Computer Controls
If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.
Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine-chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.
Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.
Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB-exempted or EPA-certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.
Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel-to-gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).
Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).
Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Here are some tips to keep you and your customers on the straight and narrow.
Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.
When rebuilding an engine, it must be rebuilt to the original equipment specifications. However, if you do decide to change the engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.
Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes -- not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.
Remember also, state and federal anti-tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.
California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49-state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.
Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust - controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.
Classification
"Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle."
Computer Controls
If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.
Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine-chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.
Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.
Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB-exempted or EPA-certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.
Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel-to-gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).
Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).
12-05-2003, 09:42 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (kinvid)
You know the answer. The B20 is out of a CRV and the smog referee considers it a "truck" or SUV engine. The only legal thing to do is put in what is considered a "legal" engine.
I doubt that you could even legally sell the car what with the law here in California stating that the original owner is responsable for it being smog legal.
SORRY!
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I doubt that you could even legally sell the car what with the law here in California stating that the original owner is responsable for it being smog legal.
SORRY!
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12-08-2003, 05:56 PM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (kinvid)
You people in California put the idiots in office that brought this mess upon you, Sorry but you need to get the liberal loons out of office and get more conservative in, maybe you will become part of the USA again. Sorry but lots of us hate the tree hugging left. And this is just one of the multitude of reasons.
12-08-2003, 07:35 PM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (virginia_dude)
I can help with ur dilema I have the hook up of where to go to get smoged it cost more than a regular smog would but it sure is worth it
I just took a crx w/b20 and no cat and the guy made it pass what do you think of that?
the guy is located in fullerto or buenapark not sure but e-mail me if ur interested
ur price will range from 100 to somewhere around 250
I just took a crx w/b20 and no cat and the guy made it pass what do you think of that?
the guy is located in fullerto or buenapark not sure but e-mail me if ur interested
ur price will range from 100 to somewhere around 250
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12-10-2003, 04:03 PM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (bluedemon)
bluedemon, is your hook up at a test only station? 'cause kinvid made that stipulation.
If so, I would be interested as well. I've got a b20/vtec in my 88 crx and will eventually need to visit a test only station. I kept my del sol b16 that got me my BAR sticker, but I don't want to have to go through the hassle of swapping motors for a smog test.
If so, I would be interested as well. I've got a b20/vtec in my 88 crx and will eventually need to visit a test only station. I kept my del sol b16 that got me my BAR sticker, but I don't want to have to go through the hassle of swapping motors for a smog test.
12-10-2003, 07:51 PM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (tommyL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tommyL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bluedemon, is your hook up at a test only station? 'cause kinvid made that stipulation.
If so, I would be interested as well. I've got a b20/vtec in my 88 crx and will eventually need to visit a test only station. I kept my del sol b16 that got me my BAR sticker, but I don't want to have to go through the hassle of swapping motors for a smog test.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes it is a test only station and he charges 250 let me know if you need his address and i'll look it up for you
If so, I would be interested as well. I've got a b20/vtec in my 88 crx and will eventually need to visit a test only station. I kept my del sol b16 that got me my BAR sticker, but I don't want to have to go through the hassle of swapping motors for a smog test.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes it is a test only station and he charges 250 let me know if you need his address and i'll look it up for you
12-20-2003, 02:09 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (bluedemon)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluedemon »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can help with ur dilema I have the hook up of where to go to get smoged it cost more than a regular smog would but it sure is worth it
I just took a crx w/b20 and no cat and the guy made it pass what do you think of that?
the guy is located in fullerto or buenapark not sure but e-mail me if ur interested
ur price will range from 100 to somewhere around 250</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats real nice. Someone to pass an illegal swap. Wonder how long that shop will be in business. Especially now that you posted where he is located. And your method won't work for someone who has to go to a smog only station. Hole in the wall shops don't work.
I just took a crx w/b20 and no cat and the guy made it pass what do you think of that?
the guy is located in fullerto or buenapark not sure but e-mail me if ur interested
ur price will range from 100 to somewhere around 250</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats real nice. Someone to pass an illegal swap. Wonder how long that shop will be in business. Especially now that you posted where he is located. And your method won't work for someone who has to go to a smog only station. Hole in the wall shops don't work.
12-20-2003, 02:12 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (kinvid)
Asside from using the crap posted above, you will need to pull the B20. Its not a legal swap and there isn't a thing you can do to make it legal in California. Sell it and either buy a single cam or use the money towards a legit swap. That is your only logical choice. That is, if you want to follow the law. People pulling crap like what is posted above is the kind of **** that makes it even more difficult for those of us who try to play the game correctly. There honestly isn't any reason that someone should have to do something such as paying off a smog technician. Not to mention that it also puts that technician in jeopardy of loosing his ARD to the bureau.
12-20-2003, 03:36 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (ojrapedmyfather)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ojrapedmyfather »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i smell a pigggg 
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Another smart individual. I am far from a "pig". Perhaps more then a high school education will allow you to come up with something that will contribute to this thread in a more intellectual way.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Another smart individual. I am far from a "pig". Perhaps more then a high school education will allow you to come up with something that will contribute to this thread in a more intellectual way.
12-21-2003, 01:40 PM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (ncogneed0)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ncogneed0 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would they use third gear in a d16z6...cuz I lost it and I hope they only need 2nd. Other wise, some one hit me up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you mean? Will they use third gear when they load it on the dyno? Most likely. Whatever gear they have to be in in order to maintain the correct rpm and speed required for the test. I would say fix the transmission before going in order to be safe.
What do you mean? Will they use third gear when they load it on the dyno? Most likely. Whatever gear they have to be in in order to maintain the correct rpm and speed required for the test. I would say fix the transmission before going in order to be safe.
12-23-2003, 04:22 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (Shadow Templar)
Well, if you vote liberals into office you get what happend to Californina, enviromentalists gone crazy helping nothing, High taxes to pay for the lazy bums who refuse to work but expect handouts for sitting on their asses. Want this to end, start rethinking your political affiliations. Put a full house of Republicans in office and this craziness will end. Once they straighten out the mess the Liberals have caused.
12-23-2003, 06:53 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (Shadow Templar)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Shadow Templar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Poor cali. they really screwed that state. </TD></TR></TABLE>
honestly, how much crap do you have to go thru to drive a car there. i dont even have to go to emissions.
dood there's ways around this problem, loopholes if you will. find one
honestly, how much crap do you have to go thru to drive a car there. i dont even have to go to emissions.
dood there's ways around this problem, loopholes if you will. find one
12-23-2003, 07:00 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (virginia_dude)
Although it's easy to say that it's the fault of the California politicians, that isn't totally correct. Without instigating smog regulations here, we would loose Federal freeway funds.
As for paying off a smog check station, it's illegal. Think about this; if the shop gets busted, they have on record the fact that they passed your car. Do as you wish, but I'd do almost anything to prevent having my car impounded.
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As for paying off a smog check station, it's illegal. Think about this; if the shop gets busted, they have on record the fact that they passed your car. Do as you wish, but I'd do almost anything to prevent having my car impounded.
Wes
12-23-2003, 07:07 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (Wes V)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Although it's easy to say that it's the fault of the California politicians, that isn't totally correct. Without instigating smog regulations here, we would loose Federal freeway funds.
As for paying off a smog check station, it's illegal. Think about this; if the shop gets busted, they have on record the fact that they passed your car. Do as you wish, but I'd do almost anything to prevent having my car impounded.
Well doing something, and doing what the liberals have done catering to the left wing loons ( the tree huggers) and eviromentalist wacko's is something totally different. Our smog problems here in DC are as bad as LA but we never had to go nutso like your politicians did. It IS all about wacko extremeists in politics, and California is the poster child of what goes wrong when you get too damn many liberals in one place. They creat a socialist haven. like the current Peoples Socialist Reupublic of Californina
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As for paying off a smog check station, it's illegal. Think about this; if the shop gets busted, they have on record the fact that they passed your car. Do as you wish, but I'd do almost anything to prevent having my car impounded.
Well doing something, and doing what the liberals have done catering to the left wing loons ( the tree huggers) and eviromentalist wacko's is something totally different. Our smog problems here in DC are as bad as LA but we never had to go nutso like your politicians did. It IS all about wacko extremeists in politics, and California is the poster child of what goes wrong when you get too damn many liberals in one place. They creat a socialist haven. like the current Peoples Socialist Reupublic of Californina
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12-23-2003, 07:09 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (Wes V)
Here what matter is that it passes, we don't give a damn if the parts have some damn CARB sticker on them, does it pass or not, thats why california looks like a bunch of idiots to the rest of the country. Here you put any damn thing in you want as long as it meets spec, they don't hassle you, and we do have a rough Dyno based real world Emissions test.
12-23-2003, 09:09 AM
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Re: b20z swapped civic to be smog, I'm dead meat. (virginia_dude)
ya, its the same in mass, i only received crap once about not having factory specs on my vehicle when i was caught doin 74 in a 30 with my heavily modified 84 RX-7. cop was pissed when he found my nitrous works. but it passed inspection despite the mods.
