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Need help with issues after D16Z6 Swap on '97 Civic DX

Old 11-02-2017, 06:26 AM
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Default Need help with issues after D16Z6 Swap on '97 Civic DX

I have a '97 DX (D16Y7) that threw a rod, so I swapped in a D16Z6. I'm currently trying to get it running right. Here are the details of what I have:


-P28 from a manual car (mine is manual)
-Intake that I believe is from an '89-ish CRX Si (says "PGM FI" on top, and that's what the previous owner pulled it from when he upgraded to a B18)
-Original OBD2 harness with jumper to the OBD1 ECU
-Swapped internals from my distributor to the one that came with the Z6, so it fits the head and is plug and play with my harness (Y7 distributor won't bolt up directly to a Z6)
-Y7 OBD2 injectors that are clean and have a good spray pattern (engine was previously running OBD0 injectors, I think), installed with fuel rail that was on the Z6 when I got it
-MAP sensor from my Z6, connected to a vacuum hose around the center of the intake plenum
-TPS shows ~0.75V across D1-D11 pins when closed; ~4.5V at WOT; no dead spots through the range of operation
-Adjustable FPR - appears to be a Z6 OEM FPR with the top removed and a different top installed to make it adjustable. Sounds a bit cobbled from my description, but it appears to be put together well and I don't see any reason it wouldn't be functional.
-Cam timing is correct - I verified this
-Spark at all four cylinders, as verified by timing light being triggered by each of the ignition wires
-At last check, ignition timing was advanced a few degrees, but it hasn't been idling well enough to fix this properly
-4 - 2 - 1 header with a catless exhaust (~2 3/8" dia, system, I believe)
-IAT sensor is plugged into CAI before the TB
-Z6 sounded healthy before it was pulled, and compression is good
-Grounds are properly installed, from what I can tell
-VTEC solenoid and oil pressure switch are installed correctly (soldered and heat shrink on connections) and pinned to the ECU plug
-Plugs are nearly new, NGK, and correct for the engine (I don't recall what part number offhand)
-Removed and cleaned IACV

Car was running very rich and had no bottom end. It was bogging really badly off the line to a point where it was basically not driveable. Plugs were black, with #1 being less black, and black exhaust sooting my bumper. Cleaned the injectors to address the inconsistency (pressurized carb cleaner from a can, popping them open with a battery), but I don't think they were a big issue because they came out of my Y7, which ran great. Spray pattern looked good when I was done.

I've verified no vacuum leaks with ether while the engine was running.

I verified that the fuel pump was supplying proper pressure but had to return the gauge before I figured out that the FPR was adjustable. Last night I backed off the adjustment to bypass more fuel to the tank at idle, and that seemed to help with the bogging, at least sitting in the garage, and it didn't smell like it was dumping as much gas in. (Buying a fuel pressure gauge to address this properly.)

Now I'm at a point where the engine starts, idles okay for about 10 seconds, then the speed picks up briefly and it dies.

Looking for what else I should be checking.
Old 11-03-2017, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: Need help with issues after D16Z6 Swap on '97 Civic DX

Firstly, i would try to install the stock (OEM) fuel pressure regulator.
of course you have understood that by cleaning the injectors there is no way to become better since its allready too rich.
also, have you tried your oem ecu?
could it be a problem with high/low injector impedance incompatibility?
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Default Re: Need help with issues after D16Z6 Swap on '97 Civic DX

Originally Posted by Cozmikk
I have a '97 DX (D16Y7) that threw a rod, so I swapped in a D16Z6. I'm currently trying to get it running right. Here are the details of what I have:


-P28 from a manual car (mine is manual)
-Intake that I believe is from an '89-ish CRX Si (says "PGM FI" on top, and that's what the previous owner pulled it from when he upgraded to a B18)
-Original OBD2 harness with jumper to the OBD1 ECU
-Swapped internals from my distributor to the one that came with the Z6, so it fits the head and is plug and play with my harness (Y7 distributor won't bolt up directly to a Z6)
-Y7 OBD2 injectors that are clean and have a good spray pattern (engine was previously running OBD0 injectors, I think), installed with fuel rail that was on the Z6 when I got it
-MAP sensor from my Z6, connected to a vacuum hose around the center of the intake plenum
-TPS shows ~0.75V across D1-D11 pins when closed; ~4.5V at WOT; no dead spots through the range of operation
-Adjustable FPR - appears to be a Z6 OEM FPR with the top removed and a different top installed to make it adjustable. Sounds a bit cobbled from my description, but it appears to be put together well and I don't see any reason it wouldn't be functional.
-Cam timing is correct - I verified this
-Spark at all four cylinders, as verified by timing light being triggered by each of the ignition wires
-At last check, ignition timing was advanced a few degrees, but it hasn't been idling well enough to fix this properly
-4 - 2 - 1 header with a catless exhaust (~2 3/8" dia, system, I believe)
-IAT sensor is plugged into CAI before the TB
-Z6 sounded healthy before it was pulled, and compression is good
-Grounds are properly installed, from what I can tell
-VTEC solenoid and oil pressure switch are installed correctly (soldered and heat shrink on connections) and pinned to the ECU plug
-Plugs are nearly new, NGK, and correct for the engine (I don't recall what part number offhand)
-Removed and cleaned IACV

Car was running very rich and had no bottom end. It was bogging really badly off the line to a point where it was basically not driveable. Plugs were black, with #1 being less black, and black exhaust sooting my bumper. Cleaned the injectors to address the inconsistency (pressurized carb cleaner from a can, popping them open with a battery), but I don't think they were a big issue because they came out of my Y7, which ran great. Spray pattern looked good when I was done.

I've verified no vacuum leaks with ether while the engine was running.

I verified that the fuel pump was supplying proper pressure but had to return the gauge before I figured out that the FPR was adjustable. Last night I backed off the adjustment to bypass more fuel to the tank at idle, and that seemed to help with the bogging, at least sitting in the garage, and it didn't smell like it was dumping as much gas in. (Buying a fuel pressure gauge to address this properly.)

Now I'm at a point where the engine starts, idles okay for about 10 seconds, then the speed picks up briefly and it dies.

Looking for what else I should be checking.
I think you need obd1 injectors
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