B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling
12-12-2005, 07:19 PM
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B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling
I searched and I didnt find much info. But while searching, someone said that their b20vtec beat an h22 everytime. Is this true? Slightly modifying each, such as stock pistons in the b20 and after market cams, i/h/e, on both h22 and b20vtec, would the b20 in a strait line? and what about handling? what is the weight difference? has anyone ridden in a car with both motors? what are your opinions? i want to go all motor and either do an h22 or b20vtec. I like the b20vtec because the swap seems cheaper. which would you choose? o yea, i want to put it into a ek hatch
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12-12-2005, 07:42 PM
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lol...
if ur just going for straight line... i would go h22...
well actually, who am i fooling... i would go h22 no matter what your goals are.. ahhaha
if ur just going for straight line... i would go h22...
well actually, who am i fooling... i would go h22 no matter what your goals are.. ahhaha
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12-13-2005, 02:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaZvic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its like 500 different.... or maybe 450.. something like that,, i dont know the exact specs... maybe skunked knows.... 
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12-13-2005, 04:53 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slopoke »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont forget that h22 pistons are made of baby monkey heads!!
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the sleeves are made of elephant tusks.. that's why the swap is so expensive..
Save the baby monkeys, go crvtec!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
the sleeves are made of elephant tusks.. that's why the swap is so expensive..
12-13-2005, 06:05 AM
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Re: (RotiEatter)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RotiEatter »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who cares? The H22A handles like ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I'm going to have lots of fun doing HPDE with the big Deuce Deuce hanging up front.
Yeah, I'm going to have lots of fun doing HPDE with the big Deuce Deuce hanging up front.
12-13-2005, 07:32 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BigBlock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H22's are slow </TD></TR></TABLE>
Especially yours
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12-13-2005, 08:02 AM
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Not to bash you H22 guys, I'm a former H22 owner myself. I really like it.
I've consistently seen B20/vtec cars running much quicker on the street than guys with h22's.
I think this has much more to do with the fact that the h22 gearing sucks (IMO) compared to the B series.
H2B
I've consistently seen B20/vtec cars running much quicker on the street than guys with h22's.
I think this has much more to do with the fact that the h22 gearing sucks (IMO) compared to the B series.
H2B
12-13-2005, 08:23 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (97spooncivic)
i dont' see the h2b to be an advantage, heres my theory
h22's gears r longer cause of the greater amount of torque compared to a b.
a b series tranny has short gears because of the lack of torque, so it has to stay in a higher rpm range
the only reason i would see a b series to be any better is the final drive.
if ur gonna spend a good 1500 to do the h2b might as well pay a grand or so and get a different final drive no? and then take advantage of all that f'n torque ina 2000 pound car i know i do
h22's gears r longer cause of the greater amount of torque compared to a b.
a b series tranny has short gears because of the lack of torque, so it has to stay in a higher rpm range
the only reason i would see a b series to be any better is the final drive.
if ur gonna spend a good 1500 to do the h2b might as well pay a grand or so and get a different final drive no? and then take advantage of all that f'n torque ina 2000 pound car i know i do
12-13-2005, 08:34 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (antivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by antivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont' see the h2b to be an advantage, heres my theory
h22's gears r longer cause of the greater amount of torque compared to a b.
a b series tranny has short gears because of the lack of torque, so it has to stay in a higher rpm range
the only reason i would see a b series to be any better is the final drive.
if ur gonna spend a good 1500 to do the h2b might as well pay a grand or so and get a different final drive no? and then take advantage of all that f'n torque ina 2000 pound car i know i do </TD></TR></TABLE>
Why do all the SPFWD guys run B16/ITR gears with over 600hp then? Even Lookofski ran B16 gears in his H22 trans
h22's gears r longer cause of the greater amount of torque compared to a b.
a b series tranny has short gears because of the lack of torque, so it has to stay in a higher rpm range
the only reason i would see a b series to be any better is the final drive.
if ur gonna spend a good 1500 to do the h2b might as well pay a grand or so and get a different final drive no? and then take advantage of all that f'n torque ina 2000 pound car i know i do
</TD></TR></TABLE>Why do all the SPFWD guys run B16/ITR gears with over 600hp then? Even Lookofski ran B16 gears in his H22 trans
12-13-2005, 08:36 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (antivic)
In response to antivic.....
A car that has TQ can still benefit from shorter gears. The H2B package on an h22 is going to be faster than one without it!
Modified by Jonathan_ED3 at 12:02 PM 12/13/2005
A car that has TQ can still benefit from shorter gears. The H2B package on an h22 is going to be faster than one without it!
Modified by Jonathan_ED3 at 12:02 PM 12/13/2005
12-13-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (Jonathan_ED3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jonathan_ED3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just because the car has TQ doesn't mean it can't benefit from shorter gears!
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right, but in this situation it does. Do you ever Drag Race Honda's?
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right, but in this situation it does. Do you ever Drag Race Honda's?
12-13-2005, 08:56 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (Jonathan_ED3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jonathan_ED3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I think this has much more to do with the fact that the h22 gearing sucks (IMO) compared to the B series.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jonathan_ED3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just because the car has TQ doesn't mean it can't benefit from shorter gears!
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.....
Do you agree or disagree with yourself?
I think this has much more to do with the fact that the h22 gearing sucks (IMO) compared to the B series.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jonathan_ED3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just because the car has TQ doesn't mean it can't benefit from shorter gears!
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.....
Do you agree or disagree with yourself?
12-13-2005, 08:58 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (skunked)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
right, but in this situation it does. Do you ever Drag Race Honda's? </TD></TR></TABLE>
What are you talking about?
I'm advocating the H2B setup...I'm saying that the H22 DOES benefit from having B series gears.
right, but in this situation it does. Do you ever Drag Race Honda's? </TD></TR></TABLE>
What are you talking about?
I'm advocating the H2B setup...I'm saying that the H22 DOES benefit from having B series gears.
12-13-2005, 08:59 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (RotiEatter)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RotiEatter »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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Do you agree or disagree with yourself?</TD></TR></TABLE>
WTF are you talking about?
My statement "Just because the car has TQ...." was in direct response to what antivic had said.
And my two statements, in no way, contradict eachother.
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Do you agree or disagree with yourself?</TD></TR></TABLE>
WTF are you talking about?
My statement "Just because the car has TQ...." was in direct response to what antivic had said.
And my two statements, in no way, contradict eachother.
12-13-2005, 09:01 AM
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But my statements aside from a direct quote in no way contradict eachother.
Left standing on their own they make complete sense.
I'll quote him to make it easier on the eyes.
But my statements aside from a direct quote in no way contradict eachother.
Left standing on their own they make complete sense.
I'll quote him to make it easier on the eyes.
12-13-2005, 09:50 AM
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Re: B20 vtec vs H22: Performance and Handling (Jonathan_ED3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jonathan_ED3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What are you talking about?
I'm advocating the H2B setup...I'm saying that the H22 DOES benefit from having B series gears.
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Oh, OK. I thought you were saying the opposite. I'm actually doing the H2B conversion now. I had the M2F4 and now I'll have the S80 (GSR) gear set. Before and after results will be posted
What are you talking about?
I'm advocating the H2B setup...I'm saying that the H22 DOES benefit from having B series gears.
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Oh, OK. I thought you were saying the opposite. I'm actually doing the H2B conversion now. I had the M2F4 and now I'll have the S80 (GSR) gear set. Before and after results will be posted
12-13-2005, 09:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Specail Ed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah, I'm going to have lots of fun doing HPDE with the big Deuce Deuce hanging up front.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm going this weekend!
Yeah, I'm going to have lots of fun doing HPDE with the big Deuce Deuce hanging up front.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm going this weekend!