B series swap into Acura 1.6EL opinions
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B series swap into Acura 1.6EL opinions
Hi all,
Thinking of doing a swap, not me but a mechanic, but I wanted to come in here to get some opinions first before going ahead with it as I'm not sure if it will work.
The host vehicle is a 2000 Acura 1.6EL (automatic) with 350,000kms on the body. Everything stock, no rust, rust proofed, garage stored. So I'm thinking of swapping in a B series engine that is currently in a 1995 Civic CX hatch. I was planning to just get the Civic h/b and drive it but the rear-quarter panel is already rusted and has a hole so I'm not sure how well it holds up in Canadian winter. That is a track car. I don't have either in possession, but are currently for sale. The 1.6EL has the same body as the '06-'00 4dr Civic.
So here's the list that I wish to swap from the Civic:
Engine
Custom-made B head and block, reconditioned
ACL race series engine main/rod/thrust bearings
Aftermarket intake pipe @ 2.75 in
ARP head studs
Civic SIR water pump
Civic type R N1 crank pulley
Civic type R pistons @ 81.5mm
Custom-fit magnaflow catalyst @ 2.5"
OEM 240cc injectors
Ferrea 5000 series valves at stock size
Ferrea valve guides
Gates 170F thermostat
Integra type R style 70mm throttle body
JDM B16A block - bore up to 81.5mm, stock stroke
Megan racing 4-1 header with 2.5in outlet
OEM/NGK laser Platium spark plugs
NGK ignition wires
RS-R Exmag GT2 CBE
Samco sport silicone rad. hoses
Skunk2 dual valve springs
Skunk2 pro series intake manifold
Skunk2 titanium valve retainers
Skunk2 tuner series camshafts stage 2
Spoon high CR 2-piece head gasket
Spoon thermo-switch
Spoon hi-pressire radiator cap
Stock crank and con’rods
USDM B16A3 cylinder head
96GSR fuel pump
KOYO OEM style radiator
ECU
a tuned unit from speed innovations @ Florida
Full Throttle launch @ 3200revs
CEL shift light @ 8500revs
Rev limit @ 9200revs
VTEC switchover @ 5000revs
Tranny/ Driveline
98 JDM ITR helical LSD tranny with 4.7 Final
Exedy stage2(3-puck) clutch kit with normal thickness
Exedy FF01 lightweight flywheel
Hasport shift linkages w/ energy suspension bushings
skunk2 short shifter
energy suspension 3 pcs engine mount
Suspension/handling
Function and form type 2 coilover - dampening,spring preload,full length adjustable, w/ Swift springs F18k R16k(will include the 8k6k setup that came with the coilover kit)
energy suspension front lower arm bushings (haven't install the rears)
megan racing rear lower control arm
ASR style rear subframe brace
password JDM style front 3 point strut bar
92 GSR front brake conversion w/ brembo blanks and HP+ pad w/ earl's SS brake hose
GSR rear disc conversion with hawk HP+ pads w/ earl's SS brake hose
energy suspension trailing arm bushings
96 GSR brake booster+master cylinder
95 SI HB proportioning valve 40/40
That is what's currently on the Civic.
Firstly, should I even consider doing this?
If so, then I would like to know if the 1.6EL, going from A/T to M/T, is possible using the ITR tranny?
In addition, are the parts compatible and could everything be swapped to the newer car or some parts will be left out?
Would any modification need to be done, such as drilling holes, fitment issues?
Lastly, will I be able to retain the power features such as heated mirrors, sunroof, windows, etc?
This will be used for a DD, but will be a very mean one.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Thinking of doing a swap, not me but a mechanic, but I wanted to come in here to get some opinions first before going ahead with it as I'm not sure if it will work.
The host vehicle is a 2000 Acura 1.6EL (automatic) with 350,000kms on the body. Everything stock, no rust, rust proofed, garage stored. So I'm thinking of swapping in a B series engine that is currently in a 1995 Civic CX hatch. I was planning to just get the Civic h/b and drive it but the rear-quarter panel is already rusted and has a hole so I'm not sure how well it holds up in Canadian winter. That is a track car. I don't have either in possession, but are currently for sale. The 1.6EL has the same body as the '06-'00 4dr Civic.
So here's the list that I wish to swap from the Civic:
Engine
Custom-made B head and block, reconditioned
ACL race series engine main/rod/thrust bearings
Aftermarket intake pipe @ 2.75 in
ARP head studs
Civic SIR water pump
Civic type R N1 crank pulley
Civic type R pistons @ 81.5mm
Custom-fit magnaflow catalyst @ 2.5"
OEM 240cc injectors
Ferrea 5000 series valves at stock size
Ferrea valve guides
Gates 170F thermostat
Integra type R style 70mm throttle body
JDM B16A block - bore up to 81.5mm, stock stroke
Megan racing 4-1 header with 2.5in outlet
OEM/NGK laser Platium spark plugs
NGK ignition wires
RS-R Exmag GT2 CBE
Samco sport silicone rad. hoses
Skunk2 dual valve springs
Skunk2 pro series intake manifold
Skunk2 titanium valve retainers
Skunk2 tuner series camshafts stage 2
Spoon high CR 2-piece head gasket
Spoon thermo-switch
Spoon hi-pressire radiator cap
Stock crank and con’rods
USDM B16A3 cylinder head
96GSR fuel pump
KOYO OEM style radiator
ECU
a tuned unit from speed innovations @ Florida
Full Throttle launch @ 3200revs
CEL shift light @ 8500revs
Rev limit @ 9200revs
VTEC switchover @ 5000revs
Tranny/ Driveline
98 JDM ITR helical LSD tranny with 4.7 Final
Exedy stage2(3-puck) clutch kit with normal thickness
Exedy FF01 lightweight flywheel
Hasport shift linkages w/ energy suspension bushings
skunk2 short shifter
energy suspension 3 pcs engine mount
Suspension/handling
Function and form type 2 coilover - dampening,spring preload,full length adjustable, w/ Swift springs F18k R16k(will include the 8k6k setup that came with the coilover kit)
energy suspension front lower arm bushings (haven't install the rears)
megan racing rear lower control arm
ASR style rear subframe brace
password JDM style front 3 point strut bar
92 GSR front brake conversion w/ brembo blanks and HP+ pad w/ earl's SS brake hose
GSR rear disc conversion with hawk HP+ pads w/ earl's SS brake hose
energy suspension trailing arm bushings
96 GSR brake booster+master cylinder
95 SI HB proportioning valve 40/40
That is what's currently on the Civic.
Firstly, should I even consider doing this?
If so, then I would like to know if the 1.6EL, going from A/T to M/T, is possible using the ITR tranny?
In addition, are the parts compatible and could everything be swapped to the newer car or some parts will be left out?
Would any modification need to be done, such as drilling holes, fitment issues?
Lastly, will I be able to retain the power features such as heated mirrors, sunroof, windows, etc?
This will be used for a DD, but will be a very mean one.
Thanks in advance for your input.
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Re: B series swap into Acura 1.6EL opinions
Why don't you just use the B20b engine from Honda crv??custom it with type-r head and head cover and use type-r camshaft (prefer B16b cam)...u will love the power...with only a simple tune by using VAFC, u can get around 200hp...if it is done by a good tuner.
Others...you can just use what ever u want.. just my 2 cents...
cheers..
Others...you can just use what ever u want.. just my 2 cents...
cheers..
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Re: B series swap into Acura 1.6EL opinions
It really depends on what you're paying for both cars, ultimately it's your decision.
You can use the ITR tranny. This swap is exactly the same as swapping a B-series into a '96 - '00 Civic, strip the front and rear clip from an EL and it's the same shell as a '96 - '00 Sedan.
most of the parts will swap, but not all. The mounts and rear T-bracket wont swap, the lower control arms wont swap, nor will the proportioning valve. Wiring harness also doesn't swap Unless I missed something everything else will though. Oh and the subframe brace, that also wont work.
You'll need to drill 2 holes for the shifter for the two bolts that hold up the linkage at the back. You will also make some slight modifications to the wiring harness. You will also need a conversion harness for the ECU.
You can retain all the power features as well as the cruise control.
You can retain all the power features as well as the cruise control.
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Re: B series swap into Acura 1.6EL opinions
I just swaped and converted a b16a into a auto el and having a issue with idle bounces around at 1500 rpm im running a 00 si ecu i got a spare chipped p28 does the same thing. But when i had the engine in my 94 cx hatch no issues. Any help muchly appreciated
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