Formula 1

ok im new here...not new to the scene or forums tho neways...this is the story just slapped a gsr in 00 si. i got a hell of a way 2 go tho. this is what i want .... 12seconds 12.9 is ok....daily driver all motor 00 civic si gonna bring it to the track so i will slapp some slicks on or drag radials whatever....ne wayz can i get there wit the gsr like 18 bottom and 16 top end? i want full interior ...basically door panels trunk and back seat r taken out right now and no carpet. so what u guys think possible? and can i make it wit gsr bottom end?...no price range....and if u think its possible list the mods plz. thanx for the help

10seconds

not going to happen unless you break into the motor and do internals......im sure you can figue out the internals you need....i was just letting you know that you cannot do it on a stock gsr block.

steve

ExospeedAMcrx

sleeve the gsr block.. bore to 2.0L, 12:1 CR on the pistons(conservative CR since you are daily driven), head work with fuly upgraded valvetrain, Custom cams(Jun3, Skunk2 stg3, or a new cam we will introduce next month:
the new billet cam we have tested at 8hp and6lbs tq over the skunk2 stg3.

Skunk2 or JG edelbrock intake manifold, custom header, hondata.. that should get you pretty close to your goals.

Wil

lazy bum shaughn

You slapped the GSR motor in your SI huh...make sure that you kept your B16 tranny. You could hit 12.9 with slicks and some nice cams and tuning. I'd go for Skunk2 stage II cams with valvetrain upgrade and manifold with JE 12:1 pistons.

Formula 1

yep kept the si tranny...right now i got skunk2 intake manifold...cam gears...plugs...wires....aem cai...greddy exhaust...dc 4-1 ss....and short shifter and act street/strip clutch...so i got internals to do and i gonna slapp on a 1.6 head all done out and pnp and the whole thing wit internas....prolly head work 1st...what u guys think i should pull times right now?

lazy bum shaughn

Use your B16 pistons in the GSR block, you will yield a higher compression ratio. With that setup, I'm guessing around mid to low 14's.

Formula 1

no can do i blew the bottom end of the b16 thats y i had 2 do the swap.....the crank cracked in half and the piston is junk and the rod is in 5 pieces so def. no using that. my idea is new pistons and bottom end of the 1.8 once i slap on a nce flowin 1.6 head wit 5 angle valve job and pnp.

lazy bum shaughn

Well if you plan on doing at least 12.9 then I'd go with something a little better than OEM pistons, maybe high compression forged pistons, of course paired with some nice cams.

Formula 1

no kidding...jeez did u read what i said whole new bottom end i prolly will put another 8K into the car thats what im expecting.....high compression 12:1 and rods...cranks.....all the gooides u know

IS3Fifty

12:1 really isnt high comp, thats stock for an ITR.... 13+ now thats high compression.

Formula 1

1st off it was a guess i haven't done all my research but i think i would prolly realisticly got 12.5:1 im not that deep into it right now i just got the swap working on tunign and getting some quality bolt ons then im goign for a revamped 1.6 head and a built bottom end and see how that hooks up

owen_the_soyboy

ats 4.9 final drive
jun 3's / skunk2 2's / toda c's
valvetrain for cams
ctr pistons for 12.xx:1 compression
hondata and fuel pressure riser.
gut the car big time, maybe even some lexan sidewindows, light battery, cf hood, moonroof and trunklid, remove all power accessories.
tuning, tuning and more tuning... good luck bro!

Formula 1

ok thanx for the info but i think u didn't read the post correct...its a daily driver...no lexan....im in cali so i need air and i like power steering..this is not a pure drag car againa daily driver street car...second i have the cf hood....i like my moon roof and the trunk is gutted back seats out and carpet gone ...n more stripping than that light battery is a good idea but seriously how much am i gonna gain? not much weight loss and the trunklid i don't understand what u mean by that one.....im thinking a b16 head wit skunk2 2s and full valve train. then go to the bottom end some .25 oversized ctr pistons...and i dunno bout hondata i like mugen but i guess we will see ...how am i supposed to get ats 4.9 final drive? and what is my final drive now?

Formula 1

oh btw how much is everybody thinkin...so i have an idea?

dlric

u need torque to get there. that means you have to resleeve the 1.8 block...there just isnt enough torque to push those numbers in that heavy *** car. resleeve the block, bore it out to 2 liters...and that's just the beginning. you'll have to blueprint the bottom end, new forged pistons, rods, balance everytthing, run big injectors, run hondata, and get that sick ats final drive for your tranny. with slicks, you MIGHT hit 12's.

Formula 1

seems everybody has a diff opinion on this....i am not gonna do it unless i know i can i don't wanna make 13s and then not be able to get 12s.....so btw how much does the ats cost ne ways? i understand bout the torque but i don't liek the might get to 12s i want ok this is how u r gonna get there kinda thing

Rob Dizzle

I agree with owen

ctr pistons
big cams (pic your flava)
hondata
lsd connected to good tires

i dont think lower fd is needed

strip as much unneeded **** out. and you are ready to rock!

HRILSVTEC

Hey go to B20vtec.com they are doing a daily driver project car that info should help you

HRILSVTEC

Ok so your saying you have a Gsr swap in your car right now but your going to put a 1.6 pnp head on it? I can understand that if the heads already done but if not why wouldn't you do the GSR head? Just my opinion.

SRT-WHORE

Here is my opinion:
Victor X IM
Bigger injectors, fuel pump upgrade, FPR
ITR AEM CAI(V2)
JDM 4-1 header of your choice(2.5" collector)
Apexi N1 Exhaust
Test Pipe
Toda C Cams(springs and TI reatainers) and cam gears
Spoon 70mm TB(port matched with IM)
P&P head/bigger valves(port matched with IM and EM)
CTR Pistons(block guard IMO)
Eagle Rods
4.929 FD
Quaife LSD
DC Short Shifter
ACT Clutch(Xtreme PP, 4 puck disc)
JUN Chromoly lightened flywheel
A/C compressor and all lines and components removed, P/S pump and lines removed and replaced with manual steering rack, and rear spoiler removed(if there is one on your vehicle now)
gutted rear interior and spare tire removed
slicks of your choice
P28 with Hondata(conversion harness of your choice)
Fluidyne Radiator
Slotted Rotors, steel braided brake lines, brake fluid upgrade(all four just for safety reasons not added power).

I can go on but you only ask of 12's all motor so I'll just leave it at that. All other H-T members feel free to correct anything that I may have incorrectly included but I'm pretty sure of that list. You said no price range so I kept that in mind while making the list.

HRILSVTEC

SILINITY16 pretty bad setup

Mighty Mintos

what kind of horsepower numbers are need for 12.9 in the 00 si chassis?

chirp3rd

i think you could do it with a 1.8 block but your gonna need a lot more compression than 12:1 to make power to pull that much weight into a 12.9. Your gonna have loose more weight or build one bad *** motor. I believe there is some one on this board from my area that has a built 1.8 GSR in a EG hatch that is daily driven that runs 12.8 on street slicks i think his car weight about 2200 with him in it.

Formula 1

well thanx for more posts but...i need PS and AC its and dialy driver damn....and for the guy wit a buitl gsr ina hatch thats kinda pointless since his car weighs way less...my car is a damn sled somethign like 2700 pounds no driver. and am going for what the other guy says one bad *** motor....not the loose more weight stuff i lost all i wanna thats it ...its not a drag car again just a dialy driver. well i guess nobody knows of a si running 12s all motor? if u do send me some links im up for talking to anyone as long as they know their **** and know how to get the car into the 12s im good.... well i am gonna check that b20vtec link out thanx alot agian guyz

SRT-WHORE

I got this from the drag racing forum. Read this guy's signature at the bottom and tell what you think about about that 00 Si. J&D Motorsports is there name. You can get more info from them.

Yeah there was a long discussion about this a while back. There was talk of having an all motor shootout at Englishtown, but I think they said that it would end up being too expensive. Too bad, that would have been nice
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