ysrhatch

i got this si that im trying to swap a new motor in. its a 92 hatch si. i was thinking if this would be a possible swap if i used the first generation motor with a second generation tranny. and maybe use the 2nd generation distributor also. would anyone think this will cause a problem for my car. what should i expect to go wrong. or will it be just like the 2nd generation??

SpeedracerS4

You need 2nd gen trannie (hydro) and 2nd gen distributor (obd1) to make the motor run in your car. The first gen trannie(cable) and distributor (obd 0) wont work in your 92 si.

It wont make your 1st gen motor become 2nd gen, they have different pistons between the 2.

ysrhatch

the second distributor from any b16a will work fine or does it has to be a gsr distributor? also have you ever seen this done. are there any wires that needs to be added as for VTEC and Oil sensor or O2 sensors?
i still think the 1st generation has more potential than the 2nd generation. even there is a difference in horse power.

1 2 NV

thats what i call cheap speed. someone that has a second gen car that wants a first gen price. too funny.

ysrhatch

believe me my first swap with a first generation b16 put out more horse power than most 2nd generation b16 swap in hatch and crx and some gsr in hatchbacks. i still believe 1st generation is much stronger than 2nd generation, it really depends on how you tune your car. not just depending on horse power itself.

B18C5-EH2

That's funny because my friend's second-gen B16A baselined at 152whp with just an exhaust and DC crushed-*** header...

You can drop in any motor you want to, but I would try to get the same year or newer motor if at all possible. Sometimes you end up spending more money to get better stuff.

Why is it that so many first-gens run so poorly? Besides most of them having sorry-*** Y1 trannies with their 4.26FD, how come even some of the J1/S1 equipped motors run so poorly? Please tell me if you or anyone you know hasa really good running 1st-gen B16A - I'm not ripping ALL of them, but I see many more of those running shitty.

And you CAN use the cable tranny if you get a HASport or Place kit, but WHY? The cable trannies are more likely to to **** on you as well, and the pedal feel just isn't the same once you've done the conversion.

Why not just get the B16A second-gen or B16A3 or B16A2?

JDM HYBRID

hahahaa oh really? they all run shitty i guess.......

B18C5-EH2

I hope you're not reading what I said WRONG bro -

I didn't say they ALL run poorly, but a lot of them do. PLUS it's meant for the pre-OBD cars and not the OBDI EG style cars.

Stop taking what I said to the extreme just so you can try and make me look like an *******.


[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 6:17 PM 2/15/2002]

JDM HYBRID

yeah thats right! just watch your mouth then.......no one likes an online ***....

JV

So stop acting like one, Tough guy.
B18C5-EH2 knows his stuff.....


[Modified by JV, 5:53 PM 2/15/2002]

B18C5-EH2

Just watch my mouth then? Or what? Are you going to give me an e-assbeating? Come on e-thug, please chill out with the hard-*** routine on the net.

A 13.9 is a totally kick-*** time, especially on a 1st-gen B16A. You have done your **** right obviously, but what I'm saying is that MOST of the 1st-gen B16As - especially around here, run like ****. And I'm also asking WHY, so why don't you tell us how yours runs so well? You obviously have it right, so why not tell us how it runs so well. New belts, waterpump, seals, tune-up, what?

I truly hope owners of 1st-gens don't get all pissy about what I said - I said a LOT of them, NOT all of them run shitty.

Anyways, the thread should not go to **** because somebody didn't like what I said. I just don't think that 1st-gens and 1992-up cars go well. There's better alternatives out there.

blackDA

so I shouldn't go look at that ef tomorrow?? seriously j/k

B18C5-EH2

Yeah, the motor is in a 1990, not a 1992-1995 hatch. That motor should be in the 1990.

blackDA

right, right.....just ****** around bored at work Tom.

JDM HYBRID

i hear your pov, but you should not diss the 1st gens.....i agree with that they shouldnt be put in the 5th gens at all.......now that sucks...i would say i know alittle about stuff, but so does everyone else....i just know what i am doing, nuthin new just bought it and minor tune up, plugs, wires, and fluid, and thats all....i guess you could ay i can drive my *** off too....haha, but yeah......your better off getting a sir2 buddy

ysrhatch

i personally thinks theres not too much differences in both the sir and sir2 i have driven both on a eg hatchbacks and still it runs great. but im still curious about the Hasport conversion kit and wirings for the eg hatchbacks. if any one know please help me out.

B18C5-EH2

Oh, let me rip myself off from another post about the same topic:

Let's do some math:
1st gen swap (engine, tranny, ECU): $1,100-$1,200
HASport mounts w/cable to hydro converter: $600
Axles: $250 (you won't have cores)
Shift linkage: $100-$150
ECU: $300 for re-chipped P28 or P30
Rear mount bracket: $70

$2570 total w/o labor

I've seen complete B16A swaps from Del Sol VTEC cars go for $2,400! That included everything!

What is so cheap about the 1st-gen swaps? Why put a motor that is for the Pre-OBD cars into an OBDI car? I just don't get it.

Oh, and BTW: there is another post EXACTLY like this right below this one! Do you guys not even read the topics before you post?

Lastly, an SiR could still be an OBDI grey plug motor - there are plenty of EG SiRs in Japan. SiRII just had more options, so you should refer to them as 1st-gen and 2nd-gen rather than SiR and SiRII.

ysrhatch

about the topic, ask the other guy. thanks by the way.

wm5holla

what mounts are needed to mount the 1st gen in a si hatch

Lysawy

And i thought that second gen b16a has better cams and t-body on the second is 60mm insted of 58mm... and first gen should dyno anywhere around 134whp stock and for sec gen around 144whp stock so did i miss anything here or what ...

Slurp56

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please tell me if you or anyone you know hasa really good running 1st-gen B16A - I'm not ripping ALL of them, but I see many more of those running shitty.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have a really good running 1st gen B16, and its in an EG too.

My cousin has a really well running 1st gen B16 in a CRX.

Why do they run so good? I dunno, I did my swap myself and the only other guy I'd let touch my car did my cousins. perhaps we just did it right?

B18C5-EH2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wm5holla &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what mounts are needed to mount the 1st gen in a si hatch </TD></TR></TABLE>

With what tranny?

Cable, or hydro?

wm5holla

with a hydro tranny polly a b16a2 tranny

Slurp56

I know there are other combo's that work, but any 94-01 Integra tranny mount will work, same with the Del Sol VTEC mounts.

I cant remember if the D-series mounts work, seems to me they did, but I can garuntee you like the above mentioned mounts.