Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (dyno plots inside)
10-23-2003, 10:06 AM
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Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (dyno plots inside)
10-23-2003, 10:17 AM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (B18CXr)
good gains 
...although the base dyno looks rather low...i never dyno'd my car right after i did the toda header. EMS looks like it helped a lot tuning wise-that's what i'm shooting for next-standalone.
...although the base dyno looks rather low...i never dyno'd my car right after i did the toda header. EMS looks like it helped a lot tuning wise-that's what i'm shooting for next-standalone.
10-23-2003, 10:20 AM
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although the base dyno looks rather low
it is about on par with other S2K's I've dynoed........
it is about on par with other S2K's I've dynoed........
10-23-2003, 10:22 AM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (GDPzS2000)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GDPzS2000 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good gains ...although the base dyno looks rather low...i never dyno'd my car right after i did the toda header. EMS looks like it helped a lot tuning wise-that's what i'm shooting for next-standalone.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's on a Mustang dyno. So, it's about 200 whp on DynoJet machines. That's a real nice gain on an S2000.
P1 automotive, Inc. tuning is nicey nice.
...although the base dyno looks rather low...i never dyno'd my car right after i did the toda header. EMS looks like it helped a lot tuning wise-that's what i'm shooting for next-standalone.</TD></TR></TABLE>That's on a Mustang dyno. So, it's about 200 whp on DynoJet machines. That's a real nice gain on an S2000.
P1 automotive, Inc. tuning is nicey nice.
10-23-2003, 10:28 AM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (Cosworth)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cosworth »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's on a Mustang dyno. So, it's about 200 whp on DynoJet machines. That's a real nice gain on an S2000.
P1 automotive, Inc. tuning is nicey nice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
o did not know it was on a mustang dyno(i was used to seeing 190-200 on dynojets)- - great job
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That's on a Mustang dyno. So, it's about 200 whp on DynoJet machines. That's a real nice gain on an S2000.
P1 automotive, Inc. tuning is nicey nice.
</TD></TR></TABLE>o did not know it was on a mustang dyno(i was used to seeing 190-200 on dynojets)- - great job
Modified by GDPzS2000 at 2:27 PM 10/24/2003
10-23-2003, 10:40 AM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (Blue-Civic-Hybrid)
how much did you spend on the EMS unit?
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this is a customers car, not mine.....
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this is a customers car, not mine.....
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10-23-2003, 12:33 PM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (B18CXr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> from the headers
no, this car only has one</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL
no, this car only has one</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL
10-23-2003, 05:21 PM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (GDPzS2000)
Their baseline dyno run is useless since they cut the graph off at 7500rpm. 
Something smells pretty fishy here.
Something smells pretty fishy here.
10-23-2003, 11:58 PM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (jerrypeterson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jerrypeterson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Their baseline dyno run is useless since they cut the graph off at 7500rpm.
Something smells pretty fishy here.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ya caught that too?
Now how much fun did you have tuning that EMS? How has the latest software helped in tuning idle as well as the transitions from partial to full throttle and back to partial throttle?
Something smells pretty fishy here.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ya caught that too?
Now how much fun did you have tuning that EMS? How has the latest software helped in tuning idle as well as the transitions from partial to full throttle and back to partial throttle?
10-24-2003, 03:23 AM
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Something smells pretty fishy here.
?? what every dude, we are in the process of upgrading to a newer tach system from Mustang, so in the mid term I'm setting the rpm's (i.e. X-axis, via Roll Speed) since the base line was done on the stock ECU I only had the factory tach to read off of, which we all know is not very accurate. The EMS tach output is very,very accurate. So to make a short story even shorter, the base run was shifted a few rpms.
P.S. You'll notice that the AEM CAI "humps" are not lined up between the two runs, once I have the new tach system this will no longer be an issue.
Now how much fun did you have tuning that EMS? How has the latest software helped in tuning idle as well as the transitions from partial to full throttle and back to partial throttle?
great "fun" the 1.03 is a breeze compared to the older versions, idle is perfect and I'm still touching up the WOT ---> partial throttle, still a little "bucking" but not bad @ all.
?? what every dude, we are in the process of upgrading to a newer tach system from Mustang, so in the mid term I'm setting the rpm's (i.e. X-axis, via Roll Speed) since the base line was done on the stock ECU I only had the factory tach to read off of, which we all know is not very accurate. The EMS tach output is very,very accurate. So to make a short story even shorter, the base run was shifted a few rpms.
P.S. You'll notice that the AEM CAI "humps" are not lined up between the two runs, once I have the new tach system this will no longer be an issue.
Now how much fun did you have tuning that EMS? How has the latest software helped in tuning idle as well as the transitions from partial to full throttle and back to partial throttle?
great "fun" the 1.03 is a breeze compared to the older versions, idle is perfect and I'm still touching up the WOT ---> partial throttle, still a little "bucking" but not bad @ all.
10-24-2003, 09:11 PM
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Hey here's an easy question for you to answer.. I've seen this 'term' thrown around every where and I'm sure I've even learned it once.. but completely forgot.. what does WOT mean? And.. 1320?
10-24-2003, 10:31 PM
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WOT: wide open throttle
1320, is the amount of feet in a quarter mile
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jerrypeterson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Their baseline dyno run is useless since they cut the graph off at 7500rpm.
Something smells pretty fishy here.</TD></TR></TABLE>
who cares about peak numbers?
actually it only proves people on here just compare peak number and not the area under the curve.
didnt everyone notice the extra tq that the car picked up the whole rpm range?
it takes a good *** header design to not loose any mid power to make top end power
if u look at the tq crv, it is solid from 2500rpm +
1320, is the amount of feet in a quarter mile
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jerrypeterson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Their baseline dyno run is useless since they cut the graph off at 7500rpm.
Something smells pretty fishy here.</TD></TR></TABLE>
who cares about peak numbers?
actually it only proves people on here just compare peak number and not the area under the curve.
didnt everyone notice the extra tq that the car picked up the whole rpm range?
it takes a good *** header design to not loose any mid power to make top end power
if u look at the tq crv, it is solid from 2500rpm +
10-25-2003, 04:04 PM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (Mase)
Timing?
the cool thing is the timing map is still untouched as well as the base timing!!!
more gains to be had?? hell yesh.
will hone in the ignition maps once the cams are in
the cool thing is the timing map is still untouched as well as the base timing!!!
more gains to be had?? hell yesh.
will hone in the ignition maps once the cams are in
10-29-2003, 06:12 AM
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Re: Toda Racing Header and AEM EMS versus stock ECU (B18CXr)
the reason he got that low of a base power was because they didn't take it all the way to redline. If they would have taken it to redline, the hp would have been about 190 stock.
10-29-2003, 07:47 AM
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the reason he got that low of a base power was because they didn't take it all the way to redline. If they would have taken it to redline, the hp would have been about 190 stock.
sorry but no, as you can see from the data it has already begun to lose power, see above post for the explanation as to why peak HP was not at claimed peak HP rpm
sorry but no, as you can see from the data it has already begun to lose power, see above post for the explanation as to why peak HP was not at claimed peak HP rpm
10-30-2003, 08:22 PM
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I gotta say I can't believe that people would question Jack's knowledge! Also for a s2k to get 190hp stock on a mustang dyno is impossible. Even to get those kinda numbers on a dynojet is difficult. The horsepower gains from the header and ems of 18 wheel hp is awsome. But whats more impressive is the streetability of this car with the use of an ems. GOOD WORK Jack ~nate
10-31-2003, 07:22 AM
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Kinda sucks that everyone "know's" what a car should put down, but those same people don't understand the differences between a mustang dyno and a dynojet.
Too bad Jack has to preface every plot with "this was done on a mustang dyno, to estimate dynojet numbers, add xx%...
O yeah, f*cking great gains
Too bad Jack has to preface every plot with "this was done on a mustang dyno, to estimate dynojet numbers, add xx%...
O yeah, f*cking great gains