searched and searched (h22a vs. f22a1+boost)
 

yeah yeah yeah, I know that this is such an old topic, blah blah,ok well, I have an 1996 prelude S yes the f22a1, ok and I also have the h22a engine with all the nesscary things, ok, do i just swap it and be like the rest of the poeple in h-t or do I boost the f22a1? I'm so confuesed, btw I can easily sell my h22a, I just don't know what to do?? I hear so many good things about the h22a but then many people have problems soon after swaping in there h22a. how much gains can I get with the f22a1? anyone know someone who ever had a build f22a1 prelude? Can anyone help me?

F22A-slow
H22A-fast

You can completely build up your F22A, turbo it, and still only make 200whp. You can make that much off an H22 with i/h/e and a few other things

Re: (InvaderTrax)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by InvaderTrax &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You can completely build up your F22A, turbo it, and still only make 200whp. You can make that much off an H22 with i/h/e and a few other things</TD></TR></TABLE>

False. He can build his F22a, boost, and have as much whp as he wants. I say stick with the f22a if you're boosting - if you're going all motor - go with the h22a.

Re: (TheKINGPin)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKINGPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

False. He can build his F22a, boost, and have as much whp as he wants. I say stick with the f22a if you're boosting - if you're going all motor - go with the h22a. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (92hondalude)
 

why not just boost the h22. arent there a ton more parts available for it.

Re: (Rosko)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rosko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just boost the h22. arent there a ton more parts available for it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He can run forged internals without having the block sleeved in his F22, unlike the H22. Forged internals = capable of handling more boost.

Re: (Dougs96SI)
 

what do you guys think about the jdm f22b? I want to go boost. is this a better engine for boost? I have been researching and read that f22b is better for boost.

Re: (korney)
 

swap the h22 head on the f22, then boost it.

Re: (GaRn)
 

Boost the H22A there's not a problem with it boosting that engine. I know 3 guys with the boosted H22A and it's fine. Just have the right parts in it and tune it right and you'll be fine. 1 of the guy i know is pushing out 290whp and 210lbs of torque. Boring out to a 2.3L did a better job too. If you want to spend a lil more money bore it out to a 2.4L and you'll be pushing a lot more torque with the over siszed pistons. Stick with the H22A. The F22A is purely junk and not worth the money to build up.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99JDMTypeS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Boost the H22A there's not a problem with it boosting that engine. I know 3 guys with the boosted H22A and it's fine. Just have the right parts in it and tune it right and you'll be fine. 1 of the guy i know is pushing out 290whp and 210lbs of torque. Boring out to a 2.3L did a better job too. If you want to spend a lil more money bore it out to a 2.4L and you'll be pushing a lot more torque with the over siszed pistons. Stick with the H22A. The F22A is purely junk and not worth the money to build up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You should be banned for saying such dumb shit.

He can boost the f22a(and there are a million parts for it) and get just as much - if not more - than he would out of an h22a. There's nothing wrong with boosting either, but whatever motor you have, just boost it.
Boost the f22 h23 whatever you have. Forget JDM anything - it doesn't matter if you're changing the internals anyway.......

this guy above me obviously knows nothing. Who the hell would want to bore way out to a 2.4l just for boosting? Thats dumb as shit.

Boost whatever motor you currently have. Period.

If you want to go N/A, then go with an h22 or make one of those crazy combinations these people do nowadays.

Keep the f22, sell the h22, and use the money to put into the f22.

it just comes down to , do you want to roll with the crowd and have an h22a drop and swap, easy extra horsepower plus v-tech. or do you want to be different from the crowd and have a boosted f22. i personally can't think of a boosted f22 that i have seen. if you are going to boost it right, you will defntiley spend more money boosting the f22 with all the fuel and engine mangement needed than you would swapping in an h22a.

Re: (h22a_junkie)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22a_junkie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it just comes down to , do you want to roll with the crowd and have an h22a drop and swap, easy extra horsepower plus v-tech. or do you want to be different from the crowd and have a boosted f22. i personally can't think of a boosted f22 that i have seen. if you are going to boost it right, you will defntiley spend more money boosting the f22 with all the fuel and engine mangement needed than you would swapping in an h22a.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats complete bullshit. You should be banned also. You will NOT spend more money boosting an f22. Thats such bullshit.

Boost the f22 because these fuckers obviously don't know what they're talking about. And its VTEC not V-TECH - does it say "V-TECH" on your valve cover?........swapping in an h22a is just an extra headache for nothing. Boost the f22. Trust me. You don't necessarily have to sleeve the block with the f22 - but with the h22 you do unless you get the goldseries pistons. either way will cost the same exact amount. You'll have to change fuel on both engines, get engine management for both........it'll all be the same thing. Without the extra $2000 of boosting an h22(swap + sleeve job).

Save yourslef two grand and boost the f22. You will be able to stomp whatever h22 you find.

Where the hell IS everyone? Mgags7, precisionh23........everyone left me hanging - trying to tackle on these ignorant people. I guess you all gave up eh? https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: (h22a_junkie)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22a_junkie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it just comes down to , do you want to roll with the crowd and have an h22a drop and swap, easy extra horsepower plus v-tech. or do you want to be different from the crowd and have a boosted f22. i personally can't think of a boosted f22 that i have seen. if you are going to boost it right, you will defntiley spend more money boosting the f22 with all the fuel and engine mangement needed than you would swapping in an h22a.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn, you have no clue what you're talking about either. http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emcrook.gif v-tech?...WTF?

You'll spend less boosting an F22 because the sleeves are already iron and you don't have to shell out $1000+ for sleeving....just drop some forged pistons right in. The 'fuel and engine management needed' is no different between a well boosted H22 or F22 or whatever...just specific tuning for each engine.

Nothing wrong with an F22 just less potential from the head.

Re: (Hawkze_2.3)
 

what about swaping the head and then boosting? would be useing my h22a head a good idea?

I say just keep the head port and polish - get a nice valvetrain setup and you're good to go.

But i guess using the h22 head is possible - a little bit of work....go for it. Do whatever you wish - its a project car.

Re: (korney)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by korney &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about swaping the head and then boosting? would be useing my h22a head a good idea? </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a much better head and if you do it right, you won't have any problems....it's just a bigger task than boosting the straight F22.

Re: (GaRn)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GaRn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">swap the h22 head on the f22, then boost it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this one has my vote.

its rediculous how much miss information there is in just this thread. its sad that for every post one person makes another has to come in and correct them.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hawkze_2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's a much better head and if you do it right, you won't have any problems....it's just a bigger task than boosting the straight F22. </TD></TR></TABLE>

this is true. and if you put forged pistons into your motor you will be one step ahead of everyone else thats boosting on the weak stock pistons. if you had the money you could even get stronger after market rods. but with a dohc head your going to make more hp per psi than a sohc on a stock for stock comparison. port sizes and intake manifold design is alot better on the h22. for boost i would slightly build the botom end of your f22 and put the h22 head on.

Re: searched and searched (korney)
 

I've heard peeps using the Mahle Gold Pistons without sleeving their block and having good results with boosting the H22 on stock FMR sleeves. Anyone have any success stories? That would be my vote, rebuild the h22 for boost and throw it in your car. Sure it will cost more but the F22 head is SOHC vs the DOHC head of the H22. just my 2c.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1406865

Everyone has been successful with the exception of the people that had the pistons when they first came out.

A lot of people posted without having any clue what they're talking about. The F22 is a great motor. There's a guy who is making 315whp/297ft/lbs on the stock bottom end. Sell the H22 and use the money to put in forged pistons, chip a p06, and boost. You'll stomp an H22.

Re: (I R Tylor)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A lot of people posted without having any clue what they're talking about. The F22 is a great motor. There's a guy who is making 315whp/297ft/lbs on the stock bottom end. Sell the H22 and use the money to put in forged pistons, chip a p06, and boost. You'll stomp an H22.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hm. That sounds very familiar.......now where have I heard that before?.......oh someone is agreeing with me. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (TheKINGPin)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKINGPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hm. That sounds very familiar.......now where have I heard that before?.......oh someone is agreeing with me. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's because you're right.

Re: (I R Tylor)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A lot of people posted without having any clue what they're talking about. The F22 is a great motor. There's a guy who is making 315whp/297ft/lbs on the stock bottom end. Sell the H22 and use the money to put in forged pistons, chip a p06, and boost. You'll stomp an H22.</TD></TR></TABLE>


who is the that guy with 315whp? is there a post here in honda-tech?

Re: (korney)
 

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/sh...pp=15

Part of the way down. It's an F22A4 in an Accord.

Edit: also it's tuned with a safc. I read somewhere he had to retard the distributor 15*.

Re: (I R Tylor)
 

doesnt the f22 in the accords have vtec? and only the f22a1 doesnt have vtec? <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/sh...pp=15

Part of the way down. It's an F22A4 in an Accord.

Edit: also it's tuned with a safc. I read somewhere he had to retard the distributor 15*.</TD></TR></TABLE>


thanks for the help https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif