97 Sleeper

This is probly just another piggyback system from Apexi but i still want to know if anybody has already gotten it? if so what are your thoughts about it?

PrecisionH23a

It looks exactly like a regular v-afc but some new buttons, useless color features, and a few more points in order to adjust fueling.

Decent for a very basic set-up.

My292Ludes

If it wasn't so damn expensive it may be worth having as a most basic tuning devise. But for the cost you can get much better IMO.

ECX

like what
not being an ***, just trying to learn stuff, about whats available

My292Ludes

What can you get thats better for the cost?

Crome Pro, Uberdata, You can even pick up a complete Hondata Setup for around that price.

ECX

Now for Hondata to be compatible on an h23a1, I would need a p72 ecu from an LS Integra, won't I?
I know there is a thread on here somewhere that explains all of this... It was something like an LS ecu is needed for Hondata to be compatible with an h23a1...

PrecisionH23a

You would need to run a p74 or p75 ecu for the h23a. I can't give prices out... but for cheaper than the safc neo you could have the s200 base unit.

ECX

oh okay. I guess I got my ecu's mixed up there, sorry bout that. So with one of those ecu's (p74/5) I could run s200... is there any other mods I would need to do to make it compatible?

PrecisionH23a

If you are obd2 you need the conversion harness. I am an authorized hondata dealer if you need any help... I have all of these units in stock and ready to ship

ECX

94 Si, h23a1
obd1
so all I need is p74/5, and then s200 will work fine, right?

97 Sleeper

yea and a good tuner

PrecisionH23a

Yes. The ecu will need to be socketed as well.

ECX

I see in your sig you tune as well. I will try my best to order s200 from you a.s.a.p. I just want to see what few mods I can get before hand when you go to tune it...

MadCityLude

ECX why don't you PM precision he can hook you up with everything you need. He knows his **** when it comes to honda's.

ECX

I will when I'm ready to buy it. He'll be the first one I go to about buying it... I'm just not in the position to right now

95greenlude

FYI: i've seen S200B Hondata units go for about $200

Attaus

You can get socketed P28's and P72's for $150-200.. then pick up Hondata and you're good. Otherwise run Crome Pro and do it yourself. That's what I want to do.. avoid $400 Hondata w/boost and tuning costs.

MadCityLude

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That is my plan also^^^^^

And ECX you don't even need a vtec ecu for your setup, it will be real cheap.

97 Sleeper

how easy is it to tune crome pro? you would still need a wideband right?

Attaus

I'm pretty sure, yeah. I need to read up on it.

98vtec

it's not "easy" if you are a beginner and dont know how an engine will react to certain changes. It took me awile to get accustomed to the actual tuning aspect.

i read on pgmfi.org for awhile, then downloaded crome and toyed with it to get used to how everything worked. Asked questions and research about certain things i didnt understand. And now here i am, tuning my own car.

Its not something you want to just jump into. You'll end up doing more bad than good.

98vtec

you need a wideband to accurately make any changes.

MadCityLude

Just buy a good Air fuel gauge setup that comes with the wideband. You will want it no matter what anyway

98vtec

aem, zeitronix and plx come to mind.

i use the zeitronix zt2. Dont need display when you have a laptop

97 Sleeper

good stuff man...what exactly would i need if i wanted to go with crome pro? just to download the system a laptop and a wideband?