The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread
Well, since I started this a while back in another thread I figured it was about time to finish what I started and make a definitive answer thread for anyone looking for piston, rod, crank and block specs or compression ratios of various H, F or H/F combinations.
Anything anyone wants to add to this thread post up whatever info or specs you have and Ill add it to this original post. I am putting up only what i have personally measured and or quoted direct from the helms manual. I dont want this thread to get cluttered with he said she said specs so Im asking that we limit contributions to first hand spec acquisitions and or helms manual references only. Whatever I have missed or havent measured myself, please feel free to post and contribute. The items i have yet to measure or discover I will leave blank until myself or another member provides the information. Im going to start by adding a few specs that I can think of off the top of my head now, I will return later tonight and add some more info which will include a few CR calculations. If I leave something blank and you have the information/specs plase post it up and I will edit this post and ad the new additions to the thread. <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Blocks</u></FONT></FONT> Block Type H22A4 Block = Open Deck H22A block = Closed Deck H23A block = Open Deck H23A1 block = Closed Deck F22 block = Open Deck F23 block = Open Deck F20B block = Open Deck Deck Height H22A4 Block = 8.643 H22A block = 8.643 H23A block = 8.643 H23A1 block = 8.643 F22 block = 8.643 F23 block = 8.643 F20B block = 8.643 Bore H22A4 Block = 87mm/3.425 H22A block = 87mm/3.425 H23A block = 87mm/3.425 H23A1 block = 87mm/3.425 F22 block = 85mm/3.346 F23 block = 86mm/3.385 F20B = 85mm/3.346 Note: Due to various available piston diameters (A/B) actual bore diameter may vary <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Rods</u></FONT></FONT> Length H22A4 = 5.633 H22A = 5.633 H23A = 5.572 H23A1 = 5.572 F22 = 5.572 F23 = 5.551 F20B = 5.709 Width H22A4 = .935 H22A = .935 H23A = .935 H23A1 = .935 F22 = .935 F23 = .780 F20B = .935 BE Bore H22A4 = 2.008 H22A = 2.008 H23A = 2.008 H23A1 = 2.008 F22 = 2.008 F23 = 1.890 F20B = 1.890 Pin Bore H22A4 = H22A = .8649-.8654 H23A = H23A1 = .8649-.8654 F22 = .8649-.8654 F23 = .8649-.8654 F20B = <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Pistons</u></FONT></FONT> Bore H22A4 = 87mm/3.425 H22A = 87mm/3.425 H23A = 87mm/3.425 H23A1 = 87mm/3.425 F22 = 85mm/3.346 F23 = 86mm/3.385 F20B = 85mm/3.346 Note: actual diameter may vary depending on code of piston (ie, A B) Compression Height H22A4 = 1.221 H22A = 1.221 H23A = 1.203 H23A1 = 1.203 F22A1 = 1.203 F22A4 = 1.203 F23A1 = 1.181 F20B = 1.221 Dome Volume H22A4 = H22A = H23A = H23A1 = F22A1 = F22A4 = F23A1 = F23A4 = F23A5 = -18cc F20B = Wrist Pin Diameter H22A4 = .866 H22A = .866 H23A = .866 H23A1 = .866 F22 = .866 F23 = .866 F20B = .866 <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Crankshafts</u></FONT></FONT> Stroke H22A4 = 90.7mm/3.570 H22A = 90.7mm/3.570 H23A = 95mm/3.740 H23A1 = 95mm/3.740 F22 = 95mm/3.740 F23 = 97mm/3.818 F20B = 88mm/3.464 Main Journal Diameter H22A4 = 55mm H22A4 = 50mm (1997 Only) H22A = 50mm H23A = 55mm H23A1 = 50mm F22 = 50mm F23 = 55mm F20B = 55mm Rod Journal Diameter H22A4 = 1.888 H22A = 1.888 H23A = 1.888 H23A1 = 1.888 F22 = 1.888 F23 = 1.771 F20B = 1.771 <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Cylinder Heads</u></FONT></FONT> Combustion Chamber Volume H22A4 = 53.8cc H22A = 53.8cc H23A = 53.8cc H23A1 = 50cc F22A1 = 50cc F22A4 = 50cc F23A1 = 50cc F23A4 = 50cc F23A5 = 50cc F20B = Intake Valve Diameter H22A4 = 35mm H22A = 35mm H23A = 35mm H23A1 = 34mm F22 = 34mm F23 = 34mm F20B = 34mm Exhaust Valve Diameter H22A4 = 30mm H22A = 30mm H23A = 30mm H23A1 = 29mm F22 = 29mm F23 = 29mm F20B = 29mm <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Head Gaskets</u></FONT></FONT> Bore H22A4 = 88mm H22A = 88mm H23A = 88mm H23A1 = 88mm F22 = 86mm F23 = 87mm F20B = 86mm Thickness H22A4 = .026 H22A = .026 H23A = .026 H23A1 = .026 F22 = .026 F23 = .026 F20B = .026 Note: Gasket thickness measured after crush <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="red"><u>Bearings</u></FONT></FONT> <U>Main Bearing Thickness</U> <FONT COLOR="blue">Blue:</FONT> 2.013 - 2.010mm / 0.0793 - 0.0791 <FONT COLOR="black">Black:</FONT> 2.010 - 2.007mm / 0.0791 - 0.0790 <FONT COLOR="brown">Brown:</FONT> 2.007 - 2.004mm / 0.0790 - 0.0789 <FONT COLOR="green">Green:</FONT> 2.004 - 2.001mm / 0.0789 - 0.0788 <FONT COLOR="yellow">Yellow:</FONT> 2.001 - 1.998mm / 0.0788 - 0.0787 <FONT COLOR="pink">Pink:</FONT> 1.998 - 1.995mm / 0.0787 - 0.0785 <FONT COLOR="red">Red:</FONT> 1.995 - 1.992mm / 0.0785 - 0.0783 <U>Rod Bearing Thickness</U> <FONT COLOR="blue">Blue:</FONT> 1.510 - 1.507mm / 0.0594 - 0.0593 <FONT COLOR="black">Black:</FONT> 1.507 - 1.504mm / 0.0593 - 0.0592 <FONT COLOR="brown">Brown:</FONT> 1.504 - 1.501mm / 0.0592 - 0.0591 <FONT COLOR="green">Green:</FONT> 1.501 - 1.498mm / 0.0591 - 0.0590 <FONT COLOR="yellow">Yellow:</FONT> 1.498 - 1.495mm / 0.0590 - 0.0589 <FONT COLOR="pink">Pink:</FONT> 1.495 - 1.492mm / 0.0589 - 0.0587 <FONT COLOR="red">Red:</FONT> 1.492 - 1.489mm / 0.0587 - 0.0586 <U>Main Bearing Width</U> H22A4 = .784 H22A = .784 H23A = .784 H23A1 = .784 F22A1 = .784 F22A4= .784 F23A1 = .784 F23A4 = .784 F23A5 = .784 F20B = .784 <U>Rod Bearing Width</U> H22A4 = .762 H22A = .762 H23A = .762 H23A1 = .762 F22A1 = .762 F22A4 = .762 F23A1 = .609 F23A4 = .609 F23A5 = .609 F20B = .762 <FONT COLOR="green"><FONT SIZE="3">More to come.....</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="purple"><FONT SIZE="5">Contributors</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="orange">Thank you to the following for their contributions:</FONT> PirateMcFred https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif prelittlelude https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif <FONT COLOR="pink">Jdogg</FONT> https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif ZigenBallz https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif Modified by Innovation at 1:43 PM 5/10/2005 |
Re: The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread (Innovation)
Thanks man, that's badass! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
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Re: The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread (Hawkze_2.3)
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Good idea...This forum needs a technical revival
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Re: (LUDEacris)
Should be great https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
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great post.. F20B specs would be nice too https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif
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Re: (2point2)
Added F20B, Added Pirates contributions and recomended corrections https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
Thanks Pirate https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif Bearing thicknesses/colors will be added shortly as well https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif As soon as we can get all the dome volumes I can get started on the compression calculations... If anyone has anything else to contribute, feel free... The more the merrier |
Re: (Innovation)
how bout separating h23a and h23a1
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Re: (fastludeh22)
Added bearings and seperated the H23A and H23A1 as per FastludeH22's request https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
I removed the compression calculations portion for now, I will add it later on as dome volume specs become available... Keep the info/specs coming! |
Re: (fastludeh22)
STICKY!!!!!! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif
or at least in FAQ nice info https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif |
Re: (95greenlude)
Working on getting the USDM H22, JDM H22, F20B and H23A1 pistons cc'd...
I will hopefully have all of that soon... The first of the compression calculations will directly follow https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif Added block types... Contributions welcome https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif |
This is what I have been waiting for... Subscribed...
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Re: The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread (Innovation)
jesus , where did this ish come from..
combution chamber volume for f22's is 50.5 according to my records oh the pretty colors are nice |
Re: The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread (prelittlelude)
Added the F22 combustion chamber volume for now, awaiting confirmation on that... I think it may be 50cc so Im going to look a little firther into it...
Thanks for the contribution Tom https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif keep 'em coming https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif |
Re: The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread (Innovation)
possible add f20c and compression height for atleast h23 and h22, and add proper way to find compression ratio
f20c it is 87mm bore frm cylinder walls bastard child of f series. i have 1.3cc for h22 piston dome -11.55 for f22 dish |
Re: The official H/F piston/rod/crank/block specs and CR thread (prelittlelude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prelittlelude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">possible add f20c and compression height for atleast h23 and h22, and add proper way to find compression ratio
f20c it is 87mm bore frm cylinder walls bastard child of f series. i have 1.3cc for h22 piston dome -11.55 for f22 dish</TD></TR></TABLE> I am going to leave the F20C/F22C out of this thread because I want to make this specific to the prelude Prelude/Accord. Are the dome H22 and F22 dome volumes measurements/Helms quotes or back calc's? I dont want to include any back calculations because they are never really as accurite as measuring. I am going to see if I can get all the pistons cc'd so we can have some definitive specs to use. I am working on getting the USDM, JDM H22 and F20B pistons done first and plan to have the rest follow. |
F20B Rods with F23 Crank???
Ok, this is a little off the wall... I know F20B rods are physically thicker, but if you had them grinded down to .780 on the ends they would fit on an F23 crank... Would they fit in the block if you had a custom <U>short</U> piston... Or would you need a deck plate? That would probably yield a decent r/s and some good displacement...
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Re: F20B Rods with F23 Crank??? (Sam1am26)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, this is a little off the wall... I know F20B rods are physically thicker, but if you had them grinded down to .780 on the ends they would fit on an F23 crank... Would they fit in the block if you had a custom <U>short</U> piston... Or would you need a deck plate? That would probably yield a decent r/s and some good displacement...</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you took .155 off the BE of the F20B rod you might as well throw the rods away... Also, the puney F23 rod bearings are not what you want for a motor that will do anything more than take you to get groceries... Ill cover all and everything you ever wanted to know about crank/rod mods/swaps and secrets in another informative thread similar to this one... I should have that up by the end of next week... Stay tuned, several write ups and informative threads to come https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif |
Re: F20B Rods with F23 Crank??? (Innovation)
I've never head this mentions before but am I to assume that 98+ F22 cranks have 55mm mains just like the jdm H23A???
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Re: F20B Rods with F23 Crank??? (Sam1am26)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've never head this mentions before but am I to assume that 98+ F22 cranks have 55mm mains just like the jdm H23A???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is there a 98+ F22? If so what specific year/model vehicle can it be found in? Let me know and Ill give my brother whos hard at work over at good ol' Honda a call and do a little part number verification... Modified by Innovation at 4:01 PM 5/4/2005 |
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Innovation »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Is there a 98+ F22? If so what specific year/model vehicle can it be found in? Let me know and Ill give my brother whos hard at work over at good ol' Honda a call and do a little part number verification...</TD></TR></TABLE> I guess not, I didn't realize that they only had the 2.2 CL in 97, and then got rid of it for the 2.3 in 98... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been crunching some numbers and H23 crank w/H22 rods, as well as H22 crank w/F20B rods, both some feasible with custom pistons... It only increases both rod/stroke ratios by two hundredths, but that is a slightly better r/s and you have some good displacement there... However, using F20B rods would require having the BE bored out... I know you probably have a million combinations in your head Rick, I've just been thinking about stock rod/crank combos... I haven't begun to think about custom length rods(or B-Series), or even offset grinding cranks... |
Re: (Innovation)
bearing widths added https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
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Re: (Sam1am26)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I guess not, I didn't realize that they only had the 2.2 CL in 97, and then got rid of it for the 2.3 in 98... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been crunching some numbers and H23 crank w/H22 rods, as well as H22 crank w/F20B rods, both some feasible with custom pistons... It only increases both rod/stroke ratios by two hundredths, but that is a slightly better r/s and you have some good displacement there... However, using F20B rods would require having the BE bored out... I know you probably have a million combinations in your head Rick, I've just been thinking about stock rod/crank combos... I haven't begun to think about custom length rods(or B-Series), or even offset grinding cranks...</TD></TR></TABLE> You dont want to bore the BE of the rod, if anything you want to turn down the rod journal... I have a crank mod/rod swap thread in the works that will answer all your questions and then some... That will be the first of several write ups and projects I have coming up for the prelude forum... |
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