petrv

Now I have read at PO.com that the H23 timing belt pulley has a bigger diameter than the H22 one and thus the timing belt is difficult to get to the camshaft pullies. The timing belt is then more tighter itself (without the spring). Is this true? I would like to put it on when I buy all the things.

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Keith &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry but nobody answered my question. Do you have to use an H23 balancer belt or can the H22 belt be used. I read that the number of teeths were different.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I use the H22 balance shaft belt. The balance shaft belts are all the same for the H22/H23/f22/f23. Part number is 13405-PT-004.

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now I have read at PO.com that the H23 timing belt pulley has a bigger diameter than the H22 one and thus the timing belt is difficult to get to the camshaft pullies. The timing belt is then more tighter itself (without the spring). Is this true? I would like to put it on when I buy all the things.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, this is true. the belt tension is tighter as stated earlier in the thread. You should still use the tensioner spring.

Teen Heartthrob

for the sake of newbies..


(**** it, im asking cause i dont know )

what is the purpose of this mod? why would someone do it?

thanks =]

prelittlelude

because over time the auto tensioners that coem with the h22 tend to go bad casueing you h22 to eat it self, especially true when you have upgrades that give you more HP that put even more stree on the auto tensioner. THe manual tensioner sets the tension and then is tightened and does not alow the belt to move as much as the auto tentioner would

Teen Heartthrob

man, my car is in the shop right now, I Just had to pay for a new auto tensioner

oh well, hopefully it will be ready tonight=/

machine4321

so is it just the spring that tensions the belt???? im lost somewhere

is there no bolt to tighten ??i may have missed it

machine4321

ahh **** i just saw it ...the bb bolt does both..cool

machine4321

so in like ohh i dont know say 8 months to readjust the timing belt you just lossen the balance baelt bolt anf the spring will tighten the timing belt as welll ....you dont need to take off the timming belt covers

petrv

If you don't use the extra locking bracked like me, yes, only the adjusting nut holds the tension, right?. In my case I will have to remove the lower cover, because I will use the extra bracket. Better safe than sorry.

BTW, is it necessary to check the belt tension every XX months with the manual tensioner?

petrv

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prelittlelude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because over time the auto tensioners that coem with the h22 tend to go bad casueing you h22 to eat it self, especially true when you have upgrades that give you more HP that put even more stree on the auto tensioner. THe manual tensioner sets the tension and then is tightened and does not alow the belt to move as much as the auto tentioner would</TD></TR></TABLE>

When the autotensioner goes bad, does it loose all the tension in a moment or is it loosening the tension gradually, so even if it makes strange noises there is yet "some" tension?

im_poor

ok so these would be the parts needed, just to confirm :

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users...nNUtV

http://slhondaparts.com/browse...=true

this link has price and part #'s




Modified by im_poor at 4:15 PM 7/3/2003

petrv

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by im_poor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok so these would be the parts needed, just to confirm :
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. If you want to use an extra lock for security (not shown but discussed in this thread), add #20.

Daemione

In case anyone's curious, through http://www.hparts.com, all the parts save for the balancer belt tensioner & balancer belt bracket come to a total of $70.61, plus like $9 shipping for me. The balancer belt stuff would add another $50 or so to the order. At http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com, it was a few dollars more expensive.

im_poor - unless you're local to that particular dealership to save on shipping, it looks like their prices are higher than either of the above sites.

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Daemione &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In case anyone's curious, through http://www.hparts.com, all the parts save for the balancer belt tensioner & balancer belt bracket come to a total of $70.61, plus like $9 shipping for me. The balancer belt stuff would add another $50 or so to the order. At http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com, it was a few dollars more expensive.

im_poor - unless you're local to that particular dealership to save on shipping, it looks like their prices are higher than either of the above sites.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good info man.

im_poor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Daemione &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im_poor - unless you're local to that particular dealership to save on shipping, it looks like their prices are higher than either of the above sites.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i just use that site for part #'s and clear pictures, i buy from hparts

petrv

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a factory Honda part #90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM), but for those of you who are lazy or pinching pennies, the diameter is 40mm and the thickness is 1.5mm </TD></TR></TABLE>

I bought the original part from Honda, but the thickness is 3.0mm, not 1.5mm! The part number is correct. Should I rather buy another washer 1.5mm thick or what?

Daemione

I think there might be some confusion between that part & the washer(s) needed if you're reusing the H22 balancer belt tensioner.

Mover

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The washer is a factory Honda part. It is 40mm across and 1.5mm thick.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bought the original part from Honda, but the thickness is 3.0mm, not 1.5mm! The part number is correct. Should I rather buy another washer 1.5mm thick or what?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its 3mm ?? Use the HONDA PART (90140-P14-A00 - WASHER(11MM) <U>3mm THICK</U>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Daemione &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think there might be some confusion between that part & the washer(s) needed if you're reusing the H22 balancer belt tensioner.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No confusion at all. Hes talking about the 11mm washer (part #30) that goes between the block and the long bolt (#27)

http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29



Modified by Mover at 7:57 PM 7/4/2003

petrv

Mover, thank you VERY MUCH for this info. I am gonna use the original 3mm part. It's interesting that I bought the same part number as 2point6 bought. Maybe 2point6 measured it wrong (maybe in inches and said it is mm), because even in the pictures the washer looks more like 3mm thick than 1.5mm (1.5mm would be thinner I think).

2point6

Yes, this was a mistake on my part. The washer is 3mm thick. I am sorry for the oversight. It ha been corrected in the write up.

H22AJSPEC

Im swaping over to the manual tensioner now and i was wondering how do you get you belts tight after instal. Does the spring just do that ?

petrv

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22AJSPEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im swaping over to the manual tensioner now and i was wondering how do you get you belts tight after instal. Does the spring just do that ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, the spring itself makes the tension and you lock the tension with the adjusting nut (and another 6mm bolt if you wish). Do it like this:

1) set everything at TDC, loosen the adjusting nut and then tighten it.

2) move camshafts 3 teeth counter clockwise.

3) loosen the adjusting nut to make tension and tighten it.

4) if you use the additional bracket, lock the tension with 6mm bolt to the bracket.

2point6

Do it like this:

2) move camshafts 3 teeth counter clockwise. by turning the crankshaft [/QUOTE]

GruvyTune

Does the new version of the autotensioner work differently? Do I assume that when I order a replacement autotensioner that I get the newer version?