H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (picture intesive)
07-01-2003, 05:54 AM
#26
New User
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: South Side of Hell
Posts: 4,347
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (Boosted97Lude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boosted97Lude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn, great wrtie up 
i think we need to create a website dedicated to FREE Prelude tech information </TD></TR></TABLE>
thats what I have been trying to do with my website, but I cant get any one to email me stuff..
i think we need to create a website dedicated to FREE Prelude tech information </TD></TR></TABLE>
thats what I have been trying to do with my website, but I cant get any one to email me stuff..
07-01-2003, 07:02 AM
#27
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (petrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also don't understand where is used the 14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER. I can't see it in the pictures.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This part is not pictured in my write-up. It is listed on the parts list, if you choose to use it. I dont use them myself. One advantage is that changing camshafts and or cylinder head (race applications) can be done without the removal of the ac/alt/ps belts and the timing belt cover.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I use an old H22 balancer belt pulley with its bracket, can i also remove from the buy-list parts 13404-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., BALANCER BELT and 13415-PT0-000 - BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER? If so, the simplied list whould look like this (also without the 14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER mentioned above):
14510-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., TIMING BELT
14516-PT2-000 - SPRING COMP., TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
90014-P14-A00 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER BASE
90015-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER SPRING
90016-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM)
Is this correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looks good.
This part is not pictured in my write-up. It is listed on the parts list, if you choose to use it. I dont use them myself. One advantage is that changing camshafts and or cylinder head (race applications) can be done without the removal of the ac/alt/ps belts and the timing belt cover.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I use an old H22 balancer belt pulley with its bracket, can i also remove from the buy-list parts 13404-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., BALANCER BELT and 13415-PT0-000 - BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER? If so, the simplied list whould look like this (also without the 14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER mentioned above):
14510-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., TIMING BELT
14516-PT2-000 - SPRING COMP., TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
90014-P14-A00 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER BASE
90015-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER SPRING
90016-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM)
Is this correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looks good.
07-01-2003, 07:10 AM
#29
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (petrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So the 14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER is there like the bracket, to lock the timing belt pulley?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is an "additional" lock to the bolt that holds it all together.
In this picture, I am istalling the "nut" that compresses everything together. there is enough tension here that the additional lock is precautionary.
It is an "additional" lock to the bolt that holds it all together.
In this picture, I am istalling the "nut" that compresses everything together. there is enough tension here that the additional lock is precautionary.
07-01-2003, 07:40 AM
#31
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (petrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So the adjusting nut here locks both the balancer and timing belt pulleys?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the aditional lock similar to this?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you go here: it is part #20. It is used in a similiar fashion.
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29
Yes.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the aditional lock similar to this?
</TD></TR></TABLE>If you go here: it is part #20. It is used in a similiar fashion.
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29
07-01-2003, 07:53 AM
#32
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Czech
Posts: 864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (2point6)
Yes, but the #20 part is for H23. Or it directly fits also in the H22? The holes in the H22 blocka are the same as in the H23 block? If so, I would rather buy this part than make custom.
07-01-2003, 08:46 AM
#34
Honda-Tech Member
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (petrv)
same block casting.... i don;t know but a 1/4 of a pound peice of aluminum and another 10mm bolt in my opinion it's addition security if one get's loose... and on top of that ti's additional tension which can't hurt...
we all have our preferences but security for our pocket books is nice...
we all have our preferences but security for our pocket books is nice...
07-01-2003, 09:26 AM
#35
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: northern DRUNKit, ma
Posts: 3,969
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
4 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (2point6)
this is a great write up scott, heh you just did all the work i was dreading doing, doing this conversion soon, BTW don't know if other people saw this thread, https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=545446 thought it could save people some money, i checked it on slhondaparts.com and it comes up
07-01-2003, 10:00 AM
#36
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (petrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you know the dimensions of the washer, plain 11mm? I mean width and the 2 diameters. If I would know it, I can buy it for a few cents instead of 2 or 3$. Another think is the washers between T-belt and balancer belt pullies (but with a few washers (used as spacers) the H22 pulley can be used correctly). Did you use the original washer that was on the H22 between these pullies?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
CRITICAL points that shouldn't be overlooked. 2point6, do you have the demensions ? (or is this a trial and error thing we're suppose to figure out ..lol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another think is the washers between T-belt and balancer belt pullies (but with a few washers (used as spacers) the H22 pulley can be used correctly). Did you use the original washer that was on the H22 between these pullies?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are no washers between the H22 bal shaft pulley and the H22 timing belt pulley. The H23 bal shaft pulley has a spacer that is 8mm, however, I wouldn't go by that demension due to the differences in construction between the H22 and H23 balance shaft pulleys.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
CRITICAL points that shouldn't be overlooked. 2point6, do you have the demensions ? (or is this a trial and error thing we're suppose to figure out ..lol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another think is the washers between T-belt and balancer belt pullies (but with a few washers (used as spacers) the H22 pulley can be used correctly). Did you use the original washer that was on the H22 between these pullies?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are no washers between the H22 bal shaft pulley and the H22 timing belt pulley. The H23 bal shaft pulley has a spacer that is 8mm, however, I wouldn't go by that demension due to the differences in construction between the H22 and H23 balance shaft pulleys.
07-01-2003, 10:12 AM
#37
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (Mover)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mover »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CRITICAL points that shouldn't be overlooked. 2point6, do you have the demensions ? (or is this a trial and error thing we're suppose to figure out ..lol)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mover, I will slap you...LOL. The washer is a factory Honda part. It is 40mm across and 1.5mm thick.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are no washers between the H22 bal shaft pulley and the H22 timing belt pulley. The H23 bal shaft pulley has a spacer that is 8mm, however, I wouldn't go by that demension due to the differences in construction between the H22 and H23 balance shaft pulleys.
</TD></TR></TABLE>If you are intending to re-use the h22 balance shaft tensioner pulley, you will need to "space" it out away from the timing belt tensioner pulley. I suggested using the H23 part already in the write-up. in this case I used the h22 pulley and "spaced" it out with washers.
Mover, I will slap you...LOL. The washer is a factory Honda part. It is 40mm across and 1.5mm thick.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are no washers between the H22 bal shaft pulley and the H22 timing belt pulley. The H23 bal shaft pulley has a spacer that is 8mm, however, I wouldn't go by that demension due to the differences in construction between the H22 and H23 balance shaft pulleys.
</TD></TR></TABLE>If you are intending to re-use the h22 balance shaft tensioner pulley, you will need to "space" it out away from the timing belt tensioner pulley. I suggested using the H23 part already in the write-up. in this case I used the h22 pulley and "spaced" it out with washers.
07-01-2003, 10:21 AM
#38
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (2point6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Mover, I will slap you...LOL. The washer is a factory Honda part. It is 40mm across and 1.5mm thick.
If you are intending to re-use the h22 balance shaft tensioner pulley, you will need to "space" it out away from the timing belt tensioner pulley. I suggested using the H23 part already in the write-up. in this case I used the h22 pulley and "spaced" it out with washers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ha ha ha ... funny guy...I'd like to see you try
Do you have the demensions for the spacers between the bal shaft and timing belt pulley when using the h22 bal shaft tensioner ?
Mover, I will slap you...LOL. The washer is a factory Honda part. It is 40mm across and 1.5mm thick.
If you are intending to re-use the h22 balance shaft tensioner pulley, you will need to "space" it out away from the timing belt tensioner pulley. I suggested using the H23 part already in the write-up. in this case I used the h22 pulley and "spaced" it out with washers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ha ha ha ... funny guy...I'd like to see you try
Do you have the demensions for the spacers between the bal shaft and timing belt pulley when using the h22 bal shaft tensioner ?
07-01-2003, 10:30 AM
#39
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (Mover)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mover »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ha ha ha ... funny guy...I'd like to see you try </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I know, I crack myself up... sometimes.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have the demensions for the spacers between the bal shaft and timing belt pulley when using the h22 bal shaft tensioner ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never measured them, but it is not hard to figure out. The edges of the pulleys need to stay clear of one another.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah, I know, I crack myself up... sometimes.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have the demensions for the spacers between the bal shaft and timing belt pulley when using the h22 bal shaft tensioner ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never measured them, but it is not hard to figure out. The edges of the pulleys need to stay clear of one another.
07-01-2003, 10:49 AM
#41
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (H22AJSPEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22AJSPEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So how do you then make your adjustment ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Can you be a little more specific/
Can you be a little more specific/
07-01-2003, 10:54 AM
#43
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Czech
Posts: 864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (2point6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Can you be a little more specific/</TD></TR></TABLE>
He means the tension adjustment with the H23 tensioner. Is the adjustment the same as with H23 engine?
Can you be a little more specific/</TD></TR></TABLE>
He means the tension adjustment with the H23 tensioner. Is the adjustment the same as with H23 engine?
07-01-2003, 10:57 AM
#44
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (petrv)
Yes. The timing belt tension is set the same way as the H23. The belt is a little tighter after the conversion, but adjustment can still be made.
07-01-2003, 11:03 AM
#45
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Czech
Posts: 864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (2point6)
Sorry for another sputid question, but I wat to have all clear. All the original H22 stuff for the balancer belt (pulley, spring etc.) will fit to the new "big" bolt that holds the pullies?
07-01-2003, 11:14 AM
#46
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (petrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry for another sputid question, but I wat to have all clear. All the original H22 stuff for the balancer belt (pulley, spring etc.) will fit to the new "big" bolt that holds the pullies?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are no stupid questions. The anwer is yes. They will all fit.
These are the parts to be reused:
There are no stupid questions. The anwer is yes. They will all fit.
These are the parts to be reused:
07-01-2003, 11:28 AM
#47
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Czech
Posts: 864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install (2point6)
It is interesting how far the H23 and H22 are similar. I mean for example the use of the 11mm washer. If (for example) the timing belt in H22 was more far from the engine block, we could not use the original washer from H23.
Even more interesting is that the 14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER (#20 here http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29 ), which is from H23, directly fits the H22. It fits the holes that are used for the autotensioner, it is really interesting. Why are such holes in the H23 block?
This should be FAQed, is possible. It really clears many things to me.
Even more interesting is that the 14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER (#20 here http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29 ), which is from H23, directly fits the H22. It fits the holes that are used for the autotensioner, it is really interesting. Why are such holes in the H23 block?
This should be FAQed, is possible. It really clears many things to me.
07-01-2003, 09:20 PM
#49
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO, USA
Posts: 590
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: H22 auto tensioner to manual tensioner install
Sorry but nobody answered my question. Do you have to use an H23 balancer belt or can the H22 belt be used. I read that the number of teeths were different.