GreyFox87

I've been doing a lot of research on a bike, and I am currently 17, and I am turning 18 this fall, I was wondering about the 2 bike models that I am most interested in when purchasing a 2nd bike later on

What's the difference between the Honda RC51 and the CBR1000RR, besides the engine and the price tag?

Thanks

love-less

the biggest difference between these bikes is probly the engine configuration. RC51 is a Vtwin and the 1000rr is an inline 4. RC51 has been around for a while, and the 1000rr just came out in 04. Umm...while i know very little about the RC51 im pretty sure its safe to say that the 1000rr will generally outperform it it most all ways. i personally think the 1000rr looks much nicer too...and i just can't stand the RC51's dual exhuast system. do some research. try http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/ id personally take 600rr over both though

Odiedogcx

not to change the subject .. but this may give him some info as well .. what was the RC51 used for? I know there is a Nicky Hayden edition, but what class was it raced in? I dont know what Nicky Hayden race in before GP, but was the 51 used in AMA Superbike before the 1000rr .. or what? what were it's competitors? Sorry ... i've just been wondering that.

as for 1000rr vs RC51, i guess you could assume i dont know much about the RC51 .. cause i dont .. cause i NEVER see them. In my opinion, aesthetically, i think the 1000RR looks way better.

Ones a vtwin .. ones now.

You said you were curious, as for a second bike later on .. what are you interested in now, as a first bike?

Brian*

The RC51 powered Nicky Hayden to his AMA Superbike title in 2002. It pretty much dominated the AMA Series until it was opened to liter 4cyls. Two of my friends have the 51's and absolutely love them. The powerbands will be different between the two, with the RC having more lowend grunt. Vtwins arent for everyone, especially since they lack the "sportbike" sound. You'd have fun with either one.

I think the RC's look great, this is my friends:





Brian

optikal_blitz

what is the RC51's relation to the RC211v? or is the 51 a replica of the 211v? my n00bness makes its presence known once again.

i'm another one that doesn't know the answer to your question but i'm guessing the power delivery of the bikes is different; one being designed for tq and balance and the other designed for high revving.

serious

Is this for your first bike?

Brian*

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by optikal_blitz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what is the RC51's relation to the RC211v? or is the 51 a replica of the 211v? my n00bness makes its presence known once again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

None, if anything the 1000RR is related to the RC211V. The RC51 has been around since 2000, from the RC30 and RC45 lineage.

Brian

serious

The only way the 1000RR is related to the RC211V is they're both motorcycles with fairings. The RC211V is Honda's MotoGP race bike. It's a prototype race machine with a V5 engine. It shares no parts with production motorcycles.

Brian*

"Meet the CBR1000RR, the open-class sportbike that's redefined Honda's Superbike legacy from the moment it touched down last season. Boasting MotoGP-winning, RC211V-derived chassis and suspension technology, the 2005 CBR1000RR is poised to pick up right where it left off last year: rewriting the annals of open-class inline-four performance."

Taken from Honda's site regarding the 1000RR

Brian

serious

All that means is they've taken stuff they learned developing the RC211V and put it into the 1000RR, the same way that any company which races incorporates technology they develop racing into their vehicles.

backlash

Haha lucky for you this has already been talked about and beaten to death on another board. I recommend neither for a first bike. Happy reading.

http://speedzilla.zeroforum.co...43043

Newkdog

Yeah man don't be another statistic, buy something less powerful. Sorry for being critical..

optikal_blitz

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i think it's a second bike.. but i agree with Newkleus that you might wanna wait a little while on it.

what's your first bike??

Brian*

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yeah i know, i never said it was a replica of the 211 . we're on the same side of the fence on this

Brian

serious

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yeah i know, i never said it was a replica of the 211 . we're on the same side of the fence on this

Brian</TD></TR></TABLE>

Alriiiiiiiiiiiight...

backlash

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brian*E30 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">........... we're on the same side of the fence on this..........

Brian</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm on the other side, poking you in the eye with a stick j/k

MSchu

ones a beautiful Sow, the other is a beautiful Thoroughbred

ScareyH22A

The RC51 has always been compared to the Ducati 916 platform. They've always gone head to head on races around the world. I think it's fair to say that the RC51 is a capable weapon in the right hands.

The V-Twin RC51 and Ducati's used to race against 750cc inline-4's because their powers were more similar.

Sooo.. the 1000RR is going to be a bit more powerful than an RC51. Which really doesn't mean **** if you don't know how to ride.

backlash

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScareyH22A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The RC51 has always been compared to the Ducati 916 platform. They've always gone head to head on races around the world. I think it's fair to say that the RC51 is a capable weapon in the right hands.

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WSB 2000 and 2002. w00t

MSchu

your not trying to compare the rvt with a world superbike are you... no comparrison

backlash

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schubeedoobee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your not trying to compare the rvt with a world superbike are you... no comparrison</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's the same as comparing the 1000rr to the RC211V, no comparison there either. I am aware that many things are different in both bikes. But Colin did race an Sp2 in 2002

optikal_blitz

Is there really any point in buying either of these bikes if you don't spend at least 40% of the time on the tarmac?

the 600RR seems like it'd hold its own on the street and track for much less..

thoughts?

GreyFox87

Well let's just say I am honda man. For my first bike my parents have already agreed to loan me about 5k when I turn 18, I guess you could say I am very fortunate they own their own business.

I know for sure I want to buy some great safety equipment including: Helmet, gloves, jacket. btw are pants necessary as well as boots, let me know.

I think I am probably going to go with an older CBR600, but I still don't know the differences between the F4i, the F3, and the cbr600.

Let me know what you guys think.

Robbie

optikal_blitz

The F4i is the first CBR F series to be fuel injected, the rest are carb'd. If you search around there are a few threads discussing the generation differences between the F1 Hurricane up through the F4i.

They changed the fork types and body styling throughout the years from what i know.

And just so you know, the CBR 600 are what the F1, F2, F3, F4/i's are.

as for safety:

http://www.msf-usa.org/ first!!

http://www.kneedraggers.com & http://www.newenough.com for gear

backlash

F4i is fuel injected, F4' F3's are not. Do you mean CBR600RR?
I think it would be alright to start on an older CBR600, F3 F4. Then as skills/technique improve move up.

EDIT: DOH. Optikal beat me to it by seconds!!