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Old 01-18-2011, 07:55 AM
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oh so now a turbocharged matrix?

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no thanks, honda.
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oh so now a turbocharged matrix?

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no thanks, honda.
Doesn't the cobalt SS, one of the fastest sports compacts ever, have a torsion beam rear end? :troll:
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oh so now a turbocharged matrix?

3 words.
Torsion
Beam
Rear

no thanks, honda.
Torsion Beam:

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Doesn't the cobalt SS, one of the fastest sports compacts ever, have a torsion beam rear end? :troll:
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if honda were making a direct injected turbocharged CRZ that makes an underrated 260 bhp and weighs 2800 lbs, I might be willing to forgive honda for cutting corners on the rear suspension...

but we both know that the CR-Z isn't close to that, even in "turbocharged" trim.

it'll be a 200 hp car. which is respectable. but won't win any drag races and won't dominate any auto-x classes either.
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Torsion Beam:

i have less than zero interest in that CTR. again, some daring exterior design (intent on shaking honda's octogenarian image in europe) wrapped around more of the same from post-01 honda. minivan suspensions to maximize cargo room and 5-star crash test ratings baby. that's what people are passionate about in their automobiles.
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if honda were making a direct injected turbocharged CRZ that makes an underrated 260 bhp and weighs 2800 lbs, I might be willing to forgive honda for cutting corners on the rear suspension...

but we both know that the CR-Z isn't close to that, even in "turbocharged" trim.

it'll be a 200 hp car. which is respectable. but won't win any drag races and won't dominate any auto-x classes either.
Truth.
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Originally Posted by bad-monkey View Post
oh so now a turbocharged matrix?

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Rear

no thanks, honda.
The Fit out slalomed a Z06 (according to Car&Driver) with a Torsion Beam Rear.
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The Fit out slalomed a Z06 (according to Car&Driver) with a Torsion Beam Rear.
while that's modestly impressive, when I see FITs setting lap records at VIR or Buttonwillow, I will be impressed.

for instance, the GM factory cobalt SS is doing 1:16's at willow springs with a torsion beam (well, not sure if there's still a torsion beam on that rear since it's a $500,000 factory race car) and that's impressive. I'm sure it would be even faster with IRS, though. but, IRS costs money, and street racers don't care about suspension geometry so...
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Originally Posted by bad-monkey View Post
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if honda were making a direct injected turbocharged CRZ that makes an underrated 260 bhp and weighs 2800 lbs, I might be willing to forgive honda for cutting corners on the rear suspension...

but we both know that the CR-Z isn't close to that, even in "turbocharged" trim.

it'll be a 200 hp car. which is respectable. but won't win any drag races and won't dominate any auto-x classes either.
If it's a 200hp turbocharged car from the factory, I have a hard time believing that getting another 60hp out of it will be difficult.
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the first generation crx has been dominating autox courses since its introduction in 1984... WITH torsien FRONT and REAR beam axle..
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If it's a 200hp turbocharged car from the factory, I have a hard time believing that getting another 60hp out of it will be difficult.
it depends on how honda designs it. but now you've just voided your warranty on a turbocharged hybrid motor.

also, i think cobalts are dynoing 260 to the wheels and GM is underrating the published hp numbers. to get a CRZ to 260 whp it means you've got to increase power output by 33%?

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the first generation crx has been dominating autox courses since its introduction in 1984... WITH torsien FRONT and REAR beam axle..
what class is the 1st gen CRX dominating in Solo-2? the 2nd gen is a staple in STS and H-Stock, and also a club racing favorite...but that's a car with double wishbone front/multi-link trailing arm suspension in the rear. Also, the 1st gen CRX weighed 1800 lbs. the CRZ weighs almost 50% more than that. You'll also notice that MKI and MKII VW's tend to be auto-x'd and tracked, but MKIII's and IV's aren't as common, or if they are, they're not competitive--mostly due to the weight and suspension design. Where the MKI-IV all have a torsion beam rear, the MKI and II weigh 500 lbs or more less than the III and IV. in spite of the fact that even the 16v was vastly underpowered relative to the VR6 and 1.8T motors.
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