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Old 10-23-2009, 06:57 PM
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http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/lh...t-project.html

lightweight and fast. did i mention fast?
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That is just plain fantastic.
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I'm gonna have to keep an eye out for that.
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wonder what a kit like that costs?
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thats crazy clean man
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Originally Posted by clayton bigsby
wonder what a kit like that costs?
Around 20k I think.
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

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Around 20k I think.
do you know this or did you make this up?

dont quote prices when you have no idea
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by 5thgen_er
do you know this or did you make this up?

dont quote prices when you have no idea
Well...John isn't too forthcoming about the k-sight conversion...but I thought he hinted at the price being around 20k. (I guess its worth mentioning that I know the guys at LHT)

Also, you'll see in this thread that its approx what an Insight was brand new....according to an insight member.

http://www.insightcentral.net/forums...ht-soon-3.html

Given what's involved with this swap, anything less than 15k would be a bargain. LHT's build quality and attention to detail are truly remarkable.

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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

still, dont do it. its not a proper thing to do when its not your business.
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by 5thgen_er
still, dont do it. its not a proper thing to do when its not your business.
Well, lets look at what is included.

LHT custom (Vibration free) mounts 500.00
K20 Engine and Transmission 6000.00
Upgraded brakes 400.00
Fully adjustable suspension 1200.00
LHT custom tuned header 800.00
LHT cold air intake 200.00
LHT twin loop stealth exhaust 700.00
LHT full aluminum subframe 500.00
LHT aluminum front upper tie bar 200.00
Fully functional s2000 gauge cluster 600.00
S2000 steering wheel 300.00
Fully functional climate control 400.00
Fully functional electric power steering
Fully functional cruise control
Fully functional ABS system
HX Wheels: 500.00 (Powdercoated)
New Tires: 500.00
100% Driveability, 200+ whp, 45+ mpg

That comes to 12,800...based upon my estimates.

Now, the work and fab needed to complete this runs at least 5k-8k...
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ok man..
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by druidesque
Well, lets look at what is included.

LHT custom (Vibration free) mounts 500.00
K20 Engine and Transmission 6000.00
Upgraded brakes 400.00
Fully adjustable suspension 1200.00
LHT custom tuned header 800.00
LHT cold air intake 200.00
LHT twin loop stealth exhaust 700.00
LHT full aluminum subframe 500.00
LHT aluminum front upper tie bar 200.00
Fully functional s2000 gauge cluster 600.00
S2000 steering wheel 300.00
Fully functional climate control 400.00
Fully functional electric power steering
Fully functional cruise control
Fully functional ABS system
HX Wheels: 500.00 (Powdercoated)
New Tires: 500.00
100% Driveability, 200+ whp, 45+ mpg

That comes to 12,800...based upon my estimates.

Now, the work and fab needed to complete this runs at least 5k-8k...
you are a moron, thats my estimate
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by milkmanLCA
you are a moron
lol. i would second that
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Well...I just confirmed with LHT that the build is around 20k...like I initially stated.
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nice work...
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by milkmanLCA
you are a moron, thats my estimate
My estimate was definitely better than yours.
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Maybe i missed it but what is the weight of this thing???
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by b18bye
Maybe i missed it but what is the weight of this thing???
i believe 1800 lbs
Old 11-03-2009, 08:14 AM
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

yes I would also like to know what its weight is before and after.
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by 5thgen_er
i believe 1800 lbs
You're wrong.

A stock 5spd insight is 1875lbs.

A K20 swap adds a few hundred lbs.

from this link: http://www.insightcentral.net/forums...ht-soon-2.html

From k20a.org/forum/..., yes, probably 300 lbs. more in the front. (How could someone not notice that?)

The IPU weighs about 100 lbs., removed from the back.

2000 Insight 5spd. w/A/C: 1878 lbs.
at 57/43 weight distribution, that's 1070.5 lbs. in front,
807.5 lbs. in back (75.4% of the front weight = three quarters).

Add 300 lbs. to the front, you get 1370.5 lbs.
Subtract 100 lbs. from the back, you get 707.5 lbs., 52.6% of the front weight (only about half).

That's 2078 lbs. total, 66/34 F/R weight distribution, halfway between my "assumed" 70/30 guess and your quoted 62/38 examples.

That's ignoring extra weight of the extra front structure, but then maybe the battery was moved to the back? If so, that would pretty much compensate for the extra structural weight regarding weight distribution.

It's not just a matter of having springs, struts, anti-sway and possible added structure strong enough to deal with the added front weight, you also don't want serious braking doing enough weight transfer to remove too much rear traction, especially if you feel you have to choice but to brake while turning. That's why I was saying the car would, at speed, be very much a hands-on machine.

The ITR might be the "best handling front-drive car ever created", but it has a completely different front and rear suspension layout, with different camber changes with suspension travel vs. the Insight, fully designed to be racetrack-compatible from the start (and it's wider, also helping with corners). I didn't see a strut tower brace to help deal with the extra front weight in corners, and when the g-forces get piled on the Insight will remind him of its integral passive rear steer.

(The '85 CRX Si had/has 57/43 F/R distribution of 1890 lbs. BTW - that's what I was going by. 2174 lbs. sounds more like a '91 Si.)

He might want to play with F/R tire widths and pressures to get it a little more stable at speed, to try to give some surplus front traction to the back, depending of course on use.
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by druidesque
You're wrong.
thats why i said i believe, moron. and also i said 1800 lbs. pretty close for a top of the head guess, but your to stupid to know that arent you?
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Originally Posted by 5thgen_er
thats why i said i believe, moron. and also i said 1800 lbs. pretty close for a top of the head guess, but your to stupid to know that arent you?
I can't help but see the irony here.
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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

Originally Posted by 5thgen_er
i believe 1800 lbs
do you know this or did you make this up?

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Default Re: the answer to insight performance. i would love to have this.

^ill guess whatever i want. who are you to tell me otherwise?


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