Originally Posted by weavertime1

Can I ask how much you sold it for with the R title? Thanks! And BTW...I totally agree.

Originally Posted by bheinen74

I have owned a 91 CRX Si since '93, and a few other 90/91 Si hatches, etc in the years spanning then to now.

I decided to give CR-Z some ownership for a bit.
I bought a 2011 CR-Z EX CVT non nav that was lightly wrecked front end when it had 789 miles on it. I fixed it, got the rebuilt title inspection, and drove the car until 4,950 miles on it, and made the quick decision to sell it and cherish my 91 Si's alot more.

I did get a 4,000 mile plus lifetime 42.1 MPG during my driving the Cr-Z CVT.
But, my CRX Si will pull 39mpg not even trying to get the mpg. That lifetime mpg on the CR-Z was actually trying as hard as i could to get the best, tires aired to 42psi, etc.....The CR-Z when driven interstate, at 71+mph would not get better than 39/40mpg. If you drive it 55mph, it will get near 45-50mpg. CRX Si is better on both speeds all around. If the day was windy, the CR-Z mpg went way down, but the same windy day, the CRX gets 39mpg all day long.
The issue is flat out, a hybrid should get better mpg than the non hybrids of 20 years ago.
I am a member on the CR-z forum, I also did not like the CR-Z blindspot in the C pillar right of the driver, when backing, driving down a freeway etc, even with the round blindspot mirrors. Comparing visibility in it to the CRX or Civic Si hatch visibility is like comparing Apples to green beans. The CR-Z sucks, even with blindspot mirrors and even when you are careful. In my opinion the CR-Z is a wreck waiting to happen due to the poor backside visibility.
The handling was quite good, I liked the CVT, the sound system was good. The seats do not have the tilt forward remember where it was when you fold it back, like a crx. HVAC system seemed lacking in 92+ temps the CRX would have still been ice cold. There are no coat hooks. The windshield molding in the front has bad wind noise. If you have LOVED the older ones, you will think about the same as i listed.
I think Honda didn't want to sell many in the US, have you noticed lack of advertisements, etc. They should have dropped out the hybrid system in it, and just put in a 1.4L or 1.5L n/a engine and see if it will get better mpg, which i think it would. Heck I could put the CRX Si engine in it and get better mpg than the lea gets.
Also to note, a major downfall is the 400 pound total weight of the car contents.....ie, a driver weighing 180, along with the 130 pound girlfriend, a sub box and amp, and you are barely able to safely pack a cooler with you, or a bag of golf clubs. People have already blown struts on the cr-z forum when a member loaned his car to 2 obese woman lol....Yes, total occupant weight and cargo is set to 400 lbs....

also some rear damage to bumper etc

and it fixed

Originally Posted by bheinen74

B-radFZ1, that is true,m how long have you owned and driven Hondas in years. If you are expert plus beyong my experience let me know, Driven Hondas here since 1993. That is 20 years in Honda. Just curious how long you are a fan. I am serious, i have probably owned more Hondas than you have been in, whether you owned it or a friend has. I owned a RHD Sir EF9 B16A1 with Y1 LSD, the CR-Z is a joke.... in mileage and power and HANDLING. And I have been a driver since about 1987 and no accidents so who cares about the extra crash testing ability on this.

Troll eh, yeah how many parts have you offered for sale traded etc. I have been on JDM Universe preety much sinc day one of it, and sold like 5 or 6 Honda cars on Ebay. Bought many more...So what s your level and don't go bash if you have not proof.

You sir are the troll unless you have something more. What are you like 23 and have your 2nd Honda that your parents paid for..?
Are you jealous of what you see in my pics? tell me come on do tell. I am guessing you live in S. Chi or Homewood. Or you may be really cool, and just not want to accept the older stuff is better. Hey go take your new tech in the pond for a drive, let me know how easy it is to get your windows down before the water gets ya. I like crank window, old tech wins again in wet stuff like a drink pond.

Originally Posted by bheinen74

B-radFZ1, that is true,m how long have you owned and driven Hondas in years. If you are expert plus beyong my experience let me know, Driven Hondas here since 1993. That is 20 years in Honda. Just curious how long you are a fan. I am serious, i have probably owned more Hondas than you have been in, whether you owned it or a friend has. I owned a RHD Sir EF9 B16A1 with Y1 LSD, the CR-Z is a joke.... in mileage and power and HANDLING. And I have been a driver since about 1987 and no accidents so who cares about the extra crash testing ability on this.

Troll eh, yeah how many parts have you offered for sale traded etc. I have been on JDM Universe preety much sinc day one of it, and sold like 5 or 6 Honda cars on Ebay. Bought many more...So what s your level and don't go bash if you have not proof.

You sir are the troll unless you have something more. What are you like 23 and have your 2nd Honda that your parents paid for..?
Are you jealous of what you see in my pics? tell me come on do tell. I am guessing you live in S. Chi or Homewood. Or you may be really cool, and just not want to accept the older stuff is better. Hey go take your new tech in the pond for a drive, let me know how easy it is to get your windows down before the water gets ya. I like crank window, old tech wins again in wet stuff like a drink pond.

Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan

What's the crash test ratings on your SI versus the CRZ? $50 says the CRZ demolishes your SI in every category and still has the same MPG. There's far more to a car than just MPG. If you've driven Hondas for that long hopefully you've come to realize that.

The CRZ is geared towards mileage and doesn't have an SI badge or Type R model either.

Many of your points are absolutely worthless and add nothing to the conversation. Oh, you haven't been in an accident? That's cool brah, neither have I. Wanna hang out at Starbucks and tell everyone on the internet about it?

Originally Posted by gsrflyby

You guys that actually own a CR-Z, how do you like it?

Originally Posted by HeadSpinner

I can understand why sales are on the low side for these cars and I love it. Makes it unique. I bought the car only because I needed a car that gets 40mpg and wanted it to have manual transmission. The Honda CRZ is the only Hybrid (so called) that has a manual transmission. Sure I'd love to have the S2000, but the cost and lower mpg would not warrant me the savings. I'm past my teenage years so massive power will stay on my Expedition (it blows with all the mods I've installed!) when I'm not concerned with gas.

Originally Posted by bheinen74

Another reason sales are so low on this in the states is HONDA refuses to advertise the car. No ads on TV, none in magazines etc. It is common knowledge if an interested party walks into the dealership and asks to see a CR-Z the sale person will get you into a Civic first and try to not sell a CR-Z

Related note, If you like cupholders, the 2 seat CR-Z has 3 cup holders. Engineering effort was serious about them.

Originally Posted by fleabag

1st gen Honda Civic Hybrid, 1st gen Honda Insight are hybrids that are available with M/T. The CRZ would be more appealing if the fuel economy wasn't the SAME as a NON hybrid 90s honda civic! What's the point of a hybrid if you're getting the same MPG as a non hybrid with the same performance as well, but far less utility?

Originally Posted by The_Head

I wonder how the CRZ sales compare to the first generation Insight sales from back in the day.