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monster d 10-11-2011 06:10 PM

bad trans or bad linkage?
 
Alright..I just swapped a b18a1 into my 89 civic si. Was a pretty fun job. We get it into the car and start to drain the eng and trans fluids and replace it and start it up...well first thing the trans fluid was ****ing silver..next I put a magnet in the oil pan and there was metal shreads all up in that crap..so when we finally get it running right and test drive it 1/3/5 are really hard to go into and out..sometimes(Now this is where I think it could be the linkage or something) and sometimes it shifts like it has no damn problems and will go in and out of 1/3/5 like cake. So I'm trying to see if I can save me some money from getting a new cable trans.

Thanks for the help.

90ZCREX 10-11-2011 06:45 PM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
I suppose the linkage bushing could be going out, along with possibly the motor mounts. But most likely something in the trans as the silver fluid is never a good sign. As for the motor I would run a leakdown or at least a compression test to make sure the motor is not fubar. It would suck pretty bad to get beat by a stock crx because your motor has such low compression (happened to me).

monster d 10-11-2011 06:59 PM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
Mounts are solid. Where is the linkage bushing at? I am planing on checking compression soon. Since dude already burned me on a trans..****ing $700 for the full swap lol

OneBadTurboCRV 10-12-2011 03:33 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
Ok - you never said what linkage you were using in the first place. Typically metal shavings in the oil pan leans more towards rod/main bearings. So use an oil gauge to check your pressure. It's always a good idea to leak-down and compression test an engine. I try to do it at least once a year to all my vehicles to monitor their condition.

monster d 10-12-2011 05:19 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
The Integra linkage. Why would it be the rods and main bearings if the fluid came out of the trans?

McGruber 10-12-2011 05:56 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 

Originally Posted by monster d (Post 46169681)
The Integra linkage. Why would it be the rods and main bearings if the fluid came out of the trans?

Because you said you put a magnet in the oil pan and had tons of metal shards. That would most likely be bearings. The intermitent problem of the tranny not going into gear sometimes could also be a bad clutch disk. When the springs go bad in the disk sometimes they will not allow you to engage at all but then the next minute they will be fine. I've seen some with that same problem and once you pull the tranny the disk springs fall out lol. It's probably your tranny though, especially if your fluid is all silver and sparkly.

OneBadTurboCRV 10-12-2011 06:21 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 

Originally Posted by monster d (Post 46169681)
The Integra linkage. Why would it be the rods and main bearings if the fluid came out of the trans?

Key word = Oil Pan... just so you know - manual transmissions do not have pans. Amazing!

So did you modify the linkage in any way?

monster d 10-12-2011 06:47 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
Oil pan. The thing you drain the oil in bro lol.
Well when we first tried dropping it with the lift the linkage that bots to the stick was hitting the ground and I was thinking maybe kinda bent it. But idk I'm just trying to cancel stuff out.

I'll probably just get another trans and replace the clutch and resurface the flywheel while I'm down there.

OneBadTurboCRV 10-12-2011 08:58 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 

Originally Posted by monster d (Post 46167757)
We get it into the car and start to drain the eng and trans fluids and replace it and start it up...well first thing the trans fluid was ****ing silver..next I put a magnet in the oil pan and there was metal shreads all up in that crap

Stay in school and keep learning the English language... Also, what you call the "oil pan" should probably be referred to as a drain pan, oil catch pan, ect...

You say you drained the engine and transmission fluid. After you begin stating the transmission fluid was silver, you then go on to talk about putting a magnet in the oil pan. So this would clearly indicate you were talking about the engine now.

Regardless, if your linkage isn't bent or defective in any way, I would suspect the transmission. If you install a known good transmission and still have a problem, I would assume your linkage to be the problem. Also, I am not your "bro" but you can call me "Pappy" or "Pops"... child.

4drEF 10-12-2011 09:43 AM

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the trans has a magnet in it to catch debris from normal wear and tear.
If you are getting metal in the drained oil then you need to drop that tranny to repair or replace.
It is only a matter of time before it craps out on you.

monster d 10-12-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by N3va3vaSatisfi3d (Post 46170787)
Stay in school and keep learning the English language... Also, what you call the "oil pan" should probably be referred to as a drain pan, oil catch pan, ect...

You say you drained the engine and transmission fluid. After you begin stating the transmission fluid was silver, you then go on to talk about putting a magnet in the oil pan. So this would clearly indicate you were talking about the engine now.

Regardless, if your linkage isn't bent or defective in any way, I would suspect the transmission. If you install a known good transmission and still have a problem, I would assume your linkage to be the problem. Also, I am not your "bro" but you can call me "Pappy" or "Pops"... child.

Alright old man, I already know the English language. You don't have to be a douche because your an old hag and think you know what the hell your talking about.


Originally Posted by 4drEF (Post 46171033)
the trans has a magnet in it to catch debris from normal wear and tear.
If you are getting metal in the drained oil then you need to drop that tranny to repair or replace.
It is only a matter of time before it craps out on you.

I didn't know they had that. Yeah when the fluid came out it was like pure silver and the shreads where pretty big. I already sourced out to. Hopefully I can find a good deal on onr

alvfrancisco 10-12-2011 11:59 AM

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my car its doing the same thing. this is the second tranny doing it, also this tranny was good because i pull it out my running car... Any help???

all-motor-crx 10-12-2011 12:38 PM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
first off dude, dont be a dick to someone who probably knows alot more then you and is trying to help you out and fix your problems, he was first only asking if you were meaning the oil pan on the engine, because that's what you stated.

if you have metal shards in your oil from the engine, then yeah it could be rods, bearings.

in the trans, if theres shards i'd say replace/rebuild your transmission. but, you could go the cheap way first, try changing out the shift linkage, check the clutch and replace it if need be. then if it's stil doing it buy a tranny, it wont hurt you at all cuz even if you just bought a trans you'd still have to buy the linkage and a new clutch.

all-motor-crx 10-12-2011 12:39 PM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 

Originally Posted by alvfrancisco (Post 46171847)
my car its doing the same thing. this is the second tranny doing it, also this tranny was good because i pull it out my running car... Any help???

thread jackinnn.....

but check your clutch

4drEF 10-12-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by monster d (Post 46171299)
I didn't know they had that. Yeah when the fluid came out it was like pure silver and the shreads where pretty big. I already sourced out to. Hopefully I can find a good deal on onr

Yup!
#5 in this pic
http://estore.honda.com/acura/images...SK83M0100B.png

monster d 10-12-2011 02:09 PM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 

Originally Posted by all-motor-crx (Post 46172080)
first off dude, dont be a dick to someone who probably knows alot more then you and is trying to help you out and fix your problems, he was first only asking if you were meaning the oil pan on the engine, because that's what you stated.

if you have metal shards in your oil from the engine, then yeah it could be rods, bearings.

in the trans, if theres shards i'd say replace/rebuild your transmission. but, you could go the cheap way first, try changing out the shift linkage, check the clutch and replace it if need be. then if it's stil doing it buy a tranny, it wont hurt you at all cuz even if you just bought a trans you'd still have to buy the linkage and a new clutch.

Dude was a dick first lol.

Originally Posted by 4drEF (Post 46172106)

well I bet that magment is loaded with shreads of metal

91ef18 10-12-2011 09:21 PM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
anyone have a diagram on how to take the y1 b16a trans apart. i need to replace the syros.

OneBadTurboCRV 10-13-2011 02:52 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 

Originally Posted by 91ef18 (Post 46174581)
anyone have a diagram on how to take the y1 b16a trans apart. i need to replace the syros.

Make your own thread - stop threadjacking... stop being cheap and buy a repair manual... be resourceful and SEARCH... it's not just a walk in the park and it sounds like you need to get educated... heck there are even How-To videos on this...

TearSDMF89dx 10-13-2011 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by N3va3vaSatisfi3d (Post 46175138)
Make your own thread - stop threadjacking... stop being cheap and buy a repair manual... be resourceful and SEARCH... it's not just a walk in the park and it sounds like you need to get educated... heck there are even How-To videos on this...

im gonna have to agree with pappy on this one.......lol

monster d 10-13-2011 10:45 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
Got a trans for 100. Waiting for my paycheck to get a new clutch and my flywheel resurfaced

4drEF 10-13-2011 10:52 AM

Re: bad trans or bad linkage?
 
Nice price on the trans!
While it's out, you might want to invest <$50 to get a new input shaft bearing and seal.

monster d 10-13-2011 10:57 AM

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Okay I should have enough for it. Clutch cost 100 and resurface for 20


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