B series EF trans/axle questions
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B series EF trans/axle questions
I recently bought a 91 civic hatch and it came with an LS cable trans that I was told was fine. After days of wiring (it's OBD2 at the engine and OBD0 at the shock towers with some hard wiring into the ECU harness which is an OBD0 to OBD1 conversion harness running Hondata) the car started up and ran perfectly with no check engine lights and everything in good working order. Then it came time to move it and it was discovered that the trans was trash. The diff was totally toasted, so now I get the joys of replacing the trans. I have a GSR hydro trans that I would like to run, but I have some questions about it. I know I will need a cable to hydro kit and I read that Hasport's was no good and Innovative had a much better option. I know that this is in reference to the actuator with the master cylinder attached (41001), but I was wondering if anyone has had experience with the other actuator that they offer (41000) which is very similar in design to Hasport's model I believe. Innovative Mounts should be calling me back tomorrow to perhaps illuminate some of the differences. Furthermore, if i were to use my hydro trans, would I use the corresponding axles and half shaft or could I use the DA axles and halfshaft which are practically brand new? Also concerning the axles, I don't have pictures, but I don't really like the way they sit in the strut forks. They seem like they should be further back about an inch or two and I am slightly worried about that. Has anyone with a B-swapped EF had the same thing happen?
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Re: B series EF trans/axle questions
if your ls case is late enough you can swap the hydro internals from the grs into the ls case with some grinding for the fd clearance i think. im pretty sure all you have to do is messure the id of the input shaft bearing but if your clutch disc currently on the car fits the gsr trans im pretty sure gearsets are swapable. correct me someone if im wrong. also look at getting a new pedal box fix the shitty clutch bushings and mounting a clutch cylender via hush performance mount kit but youll have to get rid of the left hand side duct. honestly the point of going hydro is getting rid of the cable so why still have to deal with a cable because in reality probably cost around the same if you do the labor yourself. just a thought.
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if your ls case is late enough you can swap the hydro internals from the grs into the ls case with some grinding for the fd clearance i think. im pretty sure all you have to do is messure the id of the input shaft bearing but if your clutch disc currently on the car fits the gsr trans im pretty sure gearsets are swapable. correct me someone if im wrong. also look at getting a new pedal box fix the shitty clutch bushings and mounting a clutch cylender via hush performance mount kit but youll have to get rid of the left hand side duct. honestly the point of going hydro is getting rid of the cable so why still have to deal with a cable because in reality probably cost around the same if you do the labor yourself. just a thought.also check your intermidiate shaft to transmission combo plus the t bracket you used??
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if your ls case is late enough you can swap the hydro internals from the grs into the ls case with some grinding for the fd clearance i think. im pretty sure all you have to do is messure the id of the input shaft bearing but if your clutch disc currently on the car fits the gsr trans im pretty sure gearsets are swapable. correct me someone if im wrong. also look at getting a new pedal box fix the shitty clutch bushings and mounting a clutch cylender via hush performance mount kit but youll have to get rid of the left hand side duct. honestly the point of going hydro is getting rid of the cable so why still have to deal with a cable because in reality probably cost around the same if you do the labor yourself. just a thought.
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I don't know how to quote from another thread and bring it to this one, but the title is "HASPORT cable to hydro conversion, VS Innovative Cable to Hydro conversion" posted originally in 2006. Has the design been changed to solve the adjustment and pedal feel issues being described in that thread since then?
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If you want good pedal feel you'll likely need to use an actual hydraulic system. I run the hasport CMA in my car and have no complaints.
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Re: B series EF trans/axle questions
I don't know how to quote from another thread and bring it to this one, but the title is "HASPORT cable to hydro conversion, VS Innovative Cable to Hydro conversion" posted originally in 2006. Has the design been changed to solve the adjustment and pedal feel issues being described in that thread since then?
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Re: B series EF trans/axle questions
You can just swap out the friction disk on the clutch to the one suited for the hydro transmission, if you don't want to buy a whole new clutch. I have the innovative 41000 part and it is great with a stage 1 exedy clutch. The problem with some of the master cylinder ones is your loose your vent under the dash (i.e. Hush Conversion). Like HASport mentions I am sure their kit is OK with a stock or stage 1 clutch. A lot of people "over clutch", I have run a fully built NA B20Vtec (230hp 160lftlb) road race, hillclimb etc.. and a stage 1 is just fine. Guess it just depends if you are a drag racer or not...
The Innovative bracket does bolt against the engine, so it is probably stiffer than the HASport one. That's why I went with it.
The Innovative bracket does bolt against the engine, so it is probably stiffer than the HASport one. That's why I went with it.
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You can just swap out the friction disk on the clutch to the one suited for the hydro transmission, if you don't want to buy a whole new clutch. I have the innovative 41000 part and it is great with a stage 1 exedy clutch. The problem with some of the master cylinder ones is your loose your vent under the dash (i.e. Hush Conversion). Like HASport mentions I am sure their kit is OK with a stock or stage 1 clutch. A lot of people "over clutch", I have run a fully built NA B20Vtec (230hp 160lftlb) road race, hillclimb etc.. and a stage 1 is just fine. Guess it just depends if you are a drag racer or not...
The Innovative bracket does bolt against the engine, so it is probably stiffer than the HASport one. That's why I went with it.
The Innovative bracket does bolt against the engine, so it is probably stiffer than the HASport one. That's why I went with it.
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I decided to go with the Innovative Mounts 40001. First, I had a small issue with mounting location and finding space, but I decided to make a simple bracket out of some scrap steel and mount it parallel to the intake tube. The biggest issue I ran into was the rubber bushing on the cable squeezed through the top of the lever that acts on the master cylinder. Luckily it happened backing out of the driveway. My fix was putting a metal sleeve around the bushing which will not allow it to fit through the hole. By no means was it easy for the cable to come uninstalled by itself. In fact, it lasted around an hour of driving before it finally popped. The pressure was just too great and the rubber was ever so slightly too soft.
I am about 500 miles in and after the initial hiccups, I am very satisfied.
I am about 500 miles in and after the initial hiccups, I am very satisfied.
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