Notices
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

Z6 Not starting...details inside

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-26-2010, 04:59 PM
  #1  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Z6 Not starting...details inside

Ok, so here's the issue. I'm about ready to just push this car into a river. Fed up with it breaking all the damn time.

D16Z6 - I got stuck in the snow the other night on the way home from work. Somehow, during trying to get unstuck, one of the connection nodes on the distributor cap blew up and melted causing the car to run on 3 cylinders. I had it towed home when I figured that out instead of trying to drive it out. I cleaned everything up and replaced the distributor cap and the wires, and it ran fine for 3 days.

Just went to the family's house for thanksgiving, and upon trying to leave, the car won't start. No warning signs at all, just straight won't start. It cranks and sounds like it wants to, but whatever it needs to fire up isn't happening. What can I look for to figure out the source of this problem? What parts may be at fault, and how can I test it? Any help you guys offer is greatly appreciated.
Old 11-26-2010, 05:23 PM
  #2  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

1) When you turn the key to ON(II), does the fuel pump prime for 2 seconds and does the CEL turn on and then OFF after 2 seconds?

2) Is there spark at the plugs? Click the spark link in my signature.

If the fuel pump primes but there's no spark at the plugs, then test the coil inside the distributor. A bad coil is my guess because it may have been blown when the distributor cap failed. Also take the igniter unit to an auto parts store for testing.



Old 11-26-2010, 07:51 PM
  #3  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Awesome information my friend, thanks a ton. I'll get to work on checking all of that stuff out and reply here if I still run into trouble.

Much appreciated.
Old 11-27-2010, 04:32 PM
  #4  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Ok, I tested the spark in the car via your guide and all 4 cylinders are getting correct spark. The fuel pump primes and the CEL isn't tossing any codes. The next step is testing the igniter unit and coil? Does somewhere like AutoZone test both of those?
Old 11-27-2010, 07:35 PM
  #5  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

If spark is bright white at the plugs (not orange or blue), then check the mechanical timing to see whether the timing belt slipped.

Old 12-04-2010, 03:07 PM
  #6  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Ok, sorry for the delay in reporting results, but I had to work all week. Car is in the middle of nowhere and I had no chance to come check it.

Checked the timing belt, it's fine. No slipping. Replaced the internals of the distributor, ICM, rotor, coil - still not starting. I checked, it's not throwing any codes, no CEL at all.

Is there anything else I can check? It seems to be getting spark, the fuel pump seems to be working. I'm at a loss.
Old 12-04-2010, 05:19 PM
  #7  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Compression test the cylinder. Click link in my signature.
Old 12-04-2010, 05:48 PM
  #8  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Ok. I'll do that next. Based on the results, where should I go from there, as kind of a preemptive question? If compression is good across all cylinders, what's the next step? If it's bad in any of them, what then?

Just trying to get a sequence of troubleshooting down.

Appreciate all the info so far.
Old 12-05-2010, 07:29 AM
  #9  
Honda-Tech Member
 
delsolintegra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 649
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

How about fuel filter?
Old 12-27-2010, 05:20 PM
  #10  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Ok, update on this problem. Been a while, holidays kind of made everything crazy and I haven't had time until recently.

The car randomly started up one day last weekend. Pulled off all the wires and the distributor, inspected everything, put it back on and it started up. Ran for a few hours, and then completely died. It was like an instant power drain, best I can describe it. The lights dimmed rapidly, all power stopped working, and it just died.

Checked all the fuses, checked the main relay, everything there is fine. Compression check was fine too.

So given the previous test results from various systems, what would the next step be?
Old 12-27-2010, 05:26 PM
  #11  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Project H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Check your terminals on your battery and see if theres any loose connections or anything
Old 12-27-2010, 05:32 PM
  #12  
Honda-Tech Member
 
lazlong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Funkytown, Tx
Posts: 2,330
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Originally Posted by xnvb
...Ran for a few hours, and then completely died. It was like an instant power drain, best I can describe it. The lights dimmed rapidly, all power stopped working, and it just died.
Sounds like your alternator is bad.
Old 12-27-2010, 06:27 PM
  #13  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
xnvb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Puyallup, WA, US
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Originally Posted by Project H
Check your terminals on your battery and see if theres any loose connections or anything
Battery terminals are fine, no issues there.


Originally Posted by lazlong
Sounds like your alternator is bad.
Alternator is brand new. Purchased and installed probably no more than two months ago. Plus the battery will generally power the car on the charge contained within it and run for a bit before gradually dying if the alternator is bad. The car almost instantaneously lost power and died this time.
Old 12-28-2010, 03:12 AM
  #14  
Honda-Tech Member
 
lazlong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Funkytown, Tx
Posts: 2,330
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: Z6 Not starting...details inside

Check for bad connections and grounds. Might have fried the ECU.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
BolivianFuego
Honda CRX / EF Civic (1988 - 1991)
5
04-09-2011 09:34 AM
4drint3gr4
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
29
04-09-2010 12:21 PM
Zion-I
Acura Integra
2
01-24-2007 07:34 AM
LsVtecDA
Tech / Misc
6
03-30-2003 05:17 PM
chirp2hrd
Honda CRX / EF Civic (1988 - 1991)
7
09-01-2002 03:26 PM



Quick Reply: Z6 Not starting...details inside



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:00 PM.