why are all these civics built in north america?
07-07-2007, 12:54 PM
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why are all these civics built in north america?
i don't know if this is the right place to be asking this... please don't flame me
I currently drive a Mazda Protege with a BP motor, and i'm looking to buy a Civic/Integra or something of that kind
i like this civic, it's a '96.
I've been looking at all the civics from '96 - '00+ but all the VIN #'s start with a number... and the interior looks like it was made by Ford.
I notice the older Civic's and Integra's from the early '90's have a better quality feel
what was the last year produced in Japan?
I currently drive a Mazda Protege with a BP motor, and i'm looking to buy a Civic/Integra or something of that kind
i like this civic, it's a '96.
I've been looking at all the civics from '96 - '00+ but all the VIN #'s start with a number... and the interior looks like it was made by Ford.
I notice the older Civic's and Integra's from the early '90's have a better quality feel
what was the last year produced in Japan?
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07-07-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: why are all these civics built in north america? (noss88)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by noss88 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ummm...weren't civics/integras built in canada and shipped to america?</TD></TR></TABLE>
ahahaha, yep, honda of north america is in canada. regardless, honda is getting worse and worse with its "QUALITY" in my opinion, the only thing they have going for them now is the K motors and MPG.
ahahaha, yep, honda of north america is in canada. regardless, honda is getting worse and worse with its "QUALITY" in my opinion, the only thing they have going for them now is the K motors and MPG.
07-07-2007, 01:21 PM
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I didn't say they weren't built in canada... i said north america
Illl the Civics i've seen start with 1H... which means Honda USA
1 is USA
2 is Canada
3 is Mexico
4 is USA again
5 is USA too
I hope everyone knows i'm not bashing civics here.... I actually want a civic, but i'm just trying to figure out something first
Illl the Civics i've seen start with 1H... which means Honda USA
1 is USA
2 is Canada
3 is Mexico
4 is USA again
5 is USA too
I hope everyone knows i'm not bashing civics here.... I actually want a civic, but i'm just trying to figure out something first
07-07-2007, 01:26 PM
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is your question serious???
hondas are produced in japan to this day.
its just alot more cost effective to build a plant in the country (or on the continent) its going to be sold in.
im not sure as to when the north american plants were built, but i would say sometime during the early 90s.
hondas are produced in japan to this day.
its just alot more cost effective to build a plant in the country (or on the continent) its going to be sold in.
im not sure as to when the north american plants were built, but i would say sometime during the early 90s.
07-07-2007, 01:42 PM
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USDM and Canadian '96-'00 Civics were built in the US, Canada and Japan, depending on the vehicle. '94-'01 Integras were built in Japan.
All '96-'00 Civic coupes were built in the US (even the coupes sold in Japan - and yes, there were EJ7 coupes sold in Japan). All '96-'00 USDM and Canadian hatches were built in Canada. I'm not sure about the overseas hatch models. Honda builds different factories for the engines though and many other parts.
For example, if you look at the Honda EPC, there's a column to say where that part was manufactured. Just because you have a part built in Canada DOES NOT mean the entire car was assembled in Canada. The D16Y7 airbox was manufactured in Canada, but those airboxes also came on cars built in the US and Japan and sold in all different countries.
As far as a quality feeling in the cars... I actually noticed the opposite. '92-'95 Civics NEVER feel quality to me. I've never been in one that felt like a nice car. I've seen some, but seeing a photo isn't the same as sitting in one and getting the same feeling. I've sat in a few '90-'93 Integras and though not as bad as the 5th gen Civic, not as good as the 6th gen Civic, much less the 3rd gen Integra (which feels quality, but dated imo).
A clean car is going to feel like better quality than a dirty car though, which is why some '96-'00 Civics have felt cheap to me, while mine feels well made.
All '96-'00 Civic coupes were built in the US (even the coupes sold in Japan - and yes, there were EJ7 coupes sold in Japan). All '96-'00 USDM and Canadian hatches were built in Canada. I'm not sure about the overseas hatch models. Honda builds different factories for the engines though and many other parts.
For example, if you look at the Honda EPC, there's a column to say where that part was manufactured. Just because you have a part built in Canada DOES NOT mean the entire car was assembled in Canada. The D16Y7 airbox was manufactured in Canada, but those airboxes also came on cars built in the US and Japan and sold in all different countries.
As far as a quality feeling in the cars... I actually noticed the opposite. '92-'95 Civics NEVER feel quality to me. I've never been in one that felt like a nice car. I've seen some, but seeing a photo isn't the same as sitting in one and getting the same feeling. I've sat in a few '90-'93 Integras and though not as bad as the 5th gen Civic, not as good as the 6th gen Civic, much less the 3rd gen Integra (which feels quality, but dated imo).
A clean car is going to feel like better quality than a dirty car though, which is why some '96-'00 Civics have felt cheap to me, while mine feels well made.
07-07-2007, 02:26 PM
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Re: (schardbody)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by schardbody »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is your question serious???
hondas are produced in japan to this day.
its just alot more cost effective to build a plant in the country (or on the continent) its going to be sold in.
im not sure as to when the north american plants were built, but i would say sometime during the early 90s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looking at some VINs of 2006 and 2007 USDM Civic models (all of the '06-'07 Civics I found on eBay), so far it looks like the coupes are all built in Canada and the sedans are built in the US, Canada and Japan. Hybrid sedans are built in Japan only and Si sedans are built in Canada only.
hondas are produced in japan to this day.
its just alot more cost effective to build a plant in the country (or on the continent) its going to be sold in.
im not sure as to when the north american plants were built, but i would say sometime during the early 90s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looking at some VINs of 2006 and 2007 USDM Civic models (all of the '06-'07 Civics I found on eBay), so far it looks like the coupes are all built in Canada and the sedans are built in the US, Canada and Japan. Hybrid sedans are built in Japan only and Si sedans are built in Canada only.
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07-07-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: why are all these civics built in north america? (jamaican)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamaican »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been looking at all the civics from '96 - '00+ but all the VIN #'s start with a number... and the interior looks like it was made by Ford.
I notice the older Civic's and Integra's from the early '90's have a better quality feel</TD></TR></TABLE>
I disagree. I've owned Civics from all over, and interior quality from '88-00 was generally the same. My East Liberty-assembled '93 Civic EX and '00 Civic Si had similar interior feel and build quality to my Suzuka-built '91 CRX and my Alliston-built '90 Civic STD. I've noticed flaws in all of them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what was the last year produced in Japan?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Civics are still produced in Japan, but for the last few generations, only some 4dr sedans have been imported, while the rest are assembled here. All coupes and most if not all hatchbacks are assembled in North America.
However, there is no perceptible difference in build quality between a Civic produced in Japan and a Civic produced in Ohio or Canada. Most parts are sourced from the same suppliers (with some exceptions), and operating procedures and quality control are generally equal for all factories. As a former dealership employee and a a current employee of an independent Honda/Acura specialist, I've seen a lot of Civics. Minute quality differences are car-specific, not factory-specific. It's all in your head.
I notice the older Civic's and Integra's from the early '90's have a better quality feel</TD></TR></TABLE>
I disagree. I've owned Civics from all over, and interior quality from '88-00 was generally the same. My East Liberty-assembled '93 Civic EX and '00 Civic Si had similar interior feel and build quality to my Suzuka-built '91 CRX and my Alliston-built '90 Civic STD. I've noticed flaws in all of them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what was the last year produced in Japan?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Civics are still produced in Japan, but for the last few generations, only some 4dr sedans have been imported, while the rest are assembled here. All coupes and most if not all hatchbacks are assembled in North America.
However, there is no perceptible difference in build quality between a Civic produced in Japan and a Civic produced in Ohio or Canada. Most parts are sourced from the same suppliers (with some exceptions), and operating procedures and quality control are generally equal for all factories. As a former dealership employee and a a current employee of an independent Honda/Acura specialist, I've seen a lot of Civics. Minute quality differences are car-specific, not factory-specific. It's all in your head.
07-07-2007, 11:16 PM
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i'm limited to 5 posts a day, so i'm cramming all this into one post
NOFX: thanks a bunch for the info... but i didn't judge the quality through the pictures, i went and looked at several civics... all their VIN numbers showing they're from the US
Targa250R: it's not all in my head, trust me
i drove a couple early '90's integras and everything has a quality feel and look, gauges, seats, *****, carpets, dash, etc. and they are assembled in Japan
all the civics i've been looking at assembled in north america, have a cheap plastic feel... not to mention where the center console meets up with the dash, there's a huge empty space of nothing
a bit off topic: my sister bought a brand new altima and the thing is absolute crap... it was assembled here in north america, none of the plastics inside line up perfect. They're big gaps here, tight gaps here... there is stilll left over mold shavings from the plastic... it's one of the shittiest car i've driven in
my sous chef just bought a brand new mazda 3 sport wagon... assembled in japan. everything feels well made. door handles feel solid, *****, seats are amazing
NOFX: thanks a bunch for the info... but i didn't judge the quality through the pictures, i went and looked at several civics... all their VIN numbers showing they're from the US
Targa250R: it's not all in my head, trust me
i drove a couple early '90's integras and everything has a quality feel and look, gauges, seats, *****, carpets, dash, etc. and they are assembled in Japan
all the civics i've been looking at assembled in north america, have a cheap plastic feel... not to mention where the center console meets up with the dash, there's a huge empty space of nothing
a bit off topic: my sister bought a brand new altima and the thing is absolute crap... it was assembled here in north america, none of the plastics inside line up perfect. They're big gaps here, tight gaps here... there is stilll left over mold shavings from the plastic... it's one of the shittiest car i've driven in
my sous chef just bought a brand new mazda 3 sport wagon... assembled in japan. everything feels well made. door handles feel solid, *****, seats are amazing
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No offense, but I think you've just got it in your head that Japanese made hondas are better quality. Which is not necessarily the case. Seems like you are just coming up with reasons to support your theory. Either way, NOFX gave you the info you need to find a Japanese made civic if that is what you are set on.
07-07-2007, 11:50 PM
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Re: (jamaican)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamaican »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm limited to 5 posts a day, so i'm cramming all this into one post
NOFX: thanks a bunch for the info... but i didn't judge the quality through the pictures, i went and looked at several civics... all their VIN numbers showing they're from the US
Targa250R: it's not all in my head, trust me
i drove a couple early '90's integras and everything has a quality feel and look, gauges, seats, *****, carpets, dash, etc. and they are assembled in Japan
all the civics i've been looking at assembled in north america, have a cheap plastic feel... not to mention where the center console meets up with the dash, there's a huge empty space of nothing
a bit off topic: my sister bought a brand new altima and the thing is absolute crap... it was assembled here in north america, none of the plastics inside line up perfect. They're big gaps here, tight gaps here... there is stilll left over mold shavings from the plastic... it's one of the shittiest car i've driven in
my sous chef just bought a brand new mazda 3 sport wagon... assembled in japan. everything feels well made. door handles feel solid, *****, seats are amazing</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's VIN, which stands for Vehicle Identification Number. You don't need to say "number" after it.
But you must have been looking mostly at coupes. If you're looking at coupes, they're ALL built in the US.
Did you look at any hatches or sedans?
And honestly, these are just cars to most people. Most people don't give a **** about their cars. These cars are commonly used as transportation for high school kids and peopel who really don't care abuot cars. Most people looking for a car can afford a 6th gen over a 5th gen, so they buy the newer car.
NOFX: thanks a bunch for the info... but i didn't judge the quality through the pictures, i went and looked at several civics... all their VIN numbers showing they're from the US
Targa250R: it's not all in my head, trust me
i drove a couple early '90's integras and everything has a quality feel and look, gauges, seats, *****, carpets, dash, etc. and they are assembled in Japan
all the civics i've been looking at assembled in north america, have a cheap plastic feel... not to mention where the center console meets up with the dash, there's a huge empty space of nothing
a bit off topic: my sister bought a brand new altima and the thing is absolute crap... it was assembled here in north america, none of the plastics inside line up perfect. They're big gaps here, tight gaps here... there is stilll left over mold shavings from the plastic... it's one of the shittiest car i've driven in
my sous chef just bought a brand new mazda 3 sport wagon... assembled in japan. everything feels well made. door handles feel solid, *****, seats are amazing</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's VIN, which stands for Vehicle Identification Number. You don't need to say "number" after it.
But you must have been looking mostly at coupes. If you're looking at coupes, they're ALL built in the US.
Did you look at any hatches or sedans?
And honestly, these are just cars to most people. Most people don't give a **** about their cars. These cars are commonly used as transportation for high school kids and peopel who really don't care abuot cars. Most people looking for a car can afford a 6th gen over a 5th gen, so they buy the newer car.
07-08-2007, 03:51 AM
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Re: (jamaican)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamaican »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Targa250R: it's not all in my head, trust me
i drove a couple early '90's integras and everything has a quality feel and look, gauges, seats, *****, carpets, dash, etc. and they are assembled in Japan
all the civics i've been looking at assembled in north america, have a cheap plastic feel... not to mention where the center console meets up with the dash, there's a huge empty space of nothing</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it's definitely all in your head.
I disassemble these cars for a living. Trust me, theyre all econo-shitbox junk. DA Integras are just as crappy as US-built Civics. They all have the same random interior gaps and all use the same crappy plastics.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a bit off topic: my sister bought a brand new altima and the thing is absolute crap... it was assembled here in north america, none of the plastics inside line up perfect. They're big gaps here, tight gaps here... there is stilll left over mold shavings from the plastic... it's one of the shittiest car i've driven in
my sous chef just bought a brand new mazda 3 sport wagon... assembled in japan. everything feels well made. door handles feel solid, *****, seats are amazing
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The difference is not because one is made in the US and one is made in Japan.
The difference is because one is a Nissan Altioma and one is a Mazda 3.
You're really starting to sound delusional.
i drove a couple early '90's integras and everything has a quality feel and look, gauges, seats, *****, carpets, dash, etc. and they are assembled in Japan
all the civics i've been looking at assembled in north america, have a cheap plastic feel... not to mention where the center console meets up with the dash, there's a huge empty space of nothing</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it's definitely all in your head.
I disassemble these cars for a living. Trust me, theyre all econo-shitbox junk. DA Integras are just as crappy as US-built Civics. They all have the same random interior gaps and all use the same crappy plastics.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a bit off topic: my sister bought a brand new altima and the thing is absolute crap... it was assembled here in north america, none of the plastics inside line up perfect. They're big gaps here, tight gaps here... there is stilll left over mold shavings from the plastic... it's one of the shittiest car i've driven in
my sous chef just bought a brand new mazda 3 sport wagon... assembled in japan. everything feels well made. door handles feel solid, *****, seats are amazing
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The difference is not because one is made in the US and one is made in Japan.
The difference is because one is a Nissan Altioma and one is a Mazda 3.
You're really starting to sound delusional.
07-08-2007, 05:36 AM
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its not in my head either, the 5th gen civic just FEELS like its of better quality than the 6th gen...
my wifes 96 ex coupe with 90k miles on it that has been VERY well taken care of has a whole slew of minor problems. i have had 3 DA integras, 2 EKs, 1 eg, and 4 EFs, and NONE have felt as cheaply put together as the EKs.
dont take any of this personally, i never plan on driving another honda myself, so who cares what i think.
my wifes 96 ex coupe with 90k miles on it that has been VERY well taken care of has a whole slew of minor problems. i have had 3 DA integras, 2 EKs, 1 eg, and 4 EFs, and NONE have felt as cheaply put together as the EKs.
dont take any of this personally, i never plan on driving another honda myself, so who cares what i think.
07-08-2007, 06:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NOFX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
But you must have been looking mostly at coupes. If you're looking at coupes, they're ALL built in the US.
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i only saw coupes
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The difference is because one is a Nissan Altioma and one is a Mazda 3.
You're really starting to sound delusional.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol... i feel like a crazy person trying to convince ppl i'm not crazy.. LOL
the guy at the Mazda dealership said that some Mazda 6's were built in the US at a Ford plant somethinganother... while the Mazda 3's came from japan... and that there's a huge quality difference... he said don't buy a Mazda 6, you only want to lease it
thanks guys... who knows, maybe i'll buy a civic
But you must have been looking mostly at coupes. If you're looking at coupes, they're ALL built in the US.
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i only saw coupes
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The difference is because one is a Nissan Altioma and one is a Mazda 3.
You're really starting to sound delusional.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol... i feel like a crazy person trying to convince ppl i'm not crazy.. LOL
the guy at the Mazda dealership said that some Mazda 6's were built in the US at a Ford plant somethinganother... while the Mazda 3's came from japan... and that there's a huge quality difference... he said don't buy a Mazda 6, you only want to lease it
thanks guys... who knows, maybe i'll buy a civic
07-08-2007, 09:40 AM
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Re: (schardbody)
'96s are the worse. They were the start of a generation. Look at '97-'00s if you want a decent 6th gen. Those years won't even have the weird parts (like the front bumper and one piece grille) that the '96 has.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamaican »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol... i feel like a crazy person trying to convince ppl i'm not crazy.. LOL
the guy at the Mazda dealership said that some Mazda 6's were built in the US at a Ford plant somethinganother... while the Mazda 3's came from japan... and that there's a huge quality difference... he said don't buy a Mazda 6, you only want to lease it
thanks guys... who knows, maybe i'll buy a civic</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't talk to salesmen about stuff like this.
Here's an example of another stupid salesman: My mom was looking for a new car. She liked the RSX and looked at some AT ACURA. The salesman told her that it had a V6. He was very sure of himself.
That salesman probably had some other reason for trying to get you to buy one car over another. They do not care if you have to come in for service a lot because you bought one piece of **** that's a little more of a piece of **** than another piece of **** they sell. They are there to get you to buy cars. They aren't your friend. Do your own research and disregard anything the salesman says unless it's about actually buying the car (financing, cash, etc).
Even if a car is built in America, the parts all come from the SAME PLACE as the car built in Japan or Europe or Australia or ******* Istabul. They probably even have the same brand of machines assembling those cars in both plants.
You say cars built in America are crap while Japanese built cars are better quality. You base this on (1) a Mazda salesman telling you this regarding one Mazda built at a Ford plant and one built in Japan and (2) only having seen cars of the generation you're interested in that have been built in America. Then you mistakenly think that since something looks of less quality that it has something to do with what country it was built.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamaican »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol... i feel like a crazy person trying to convince ppl i'm not crazy.. LOL
the guy at the Mazda dealership said that some Mazda 6's were built in the US at a Ford plant somethinganother... while the Mazda 3's came from japan... and that there's a huge quality difference... he said don't buy a Mazda 6, you only want to lease it
thanks guys... who knows, maybe i'll buy a civic</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't talk to salesmen about stuff like this.
Here's an example of another stupid salesman: My mom was looking for a new car. She liked the RSX and looked at some AT ACURA. The salesman told her that it had a V6. He was very sure of himself.
That salesman probably had some other reason for trying to get you to buy one car over another. They do not care if you have to come in for service a lot because you bought one piece of **** that's a little more of a piece of **** than another piece of **** they sell. They are there to get you to buy cars. They aren't your friend. Do your own research and disregard anything the salesman says unless it's about actually buying the car (financing, cash, etc).
Even if a car is built in America, the parts all come from the SAME PLACE as the car built in Japan or Europe or Australia or ******* Istabul. They probably even have the same brand of machines assembling those cars in both plants.
You say cars built in America are crap while Japanese built cars are better quality. You base this on (1) a Mazda salesman telling you this regarding one Mazda built at a Ford plant and one built in Japan and (2) only having seen cars of the generation you're interested in that have been built in America. Then you mistakenly think that since something looks of less quality that it has something to do with what country it was built.
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