Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks?
10-20-2005, 07:39 AM
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Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks?
In light of a recent topic I must ask this question, because there was some guy who was claming to run 13 second timeslips in an EM1 Si with the only mods being i/h/e, an MSD box, and on slicks.
The topic was locked (due to it being the ever-tired D vs B series topic) so I never had the chance to get the whole story, but I'm calling total bullshit.
It would take a good 180whp to get a 2500lb. Civic to run those times, even on slicks.
Who else here has ever seen first-hand a car with such mods running those sort of times?
Hopefully the guy who made the claims will chime in here with proof in videos, timeslips, pics, etc. but I seriously doubt it since his argument before was "I know what my car runs. If you've got an Si not running those times yours is slow"
Oh and for reference here's the last few pages of that topic to see how his claim developed - scroll the the bottom of this page:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1400401&page=2
Then read on to see his claims and a few people that replied who did not believe it, etc.
No this topic is NOT supposed to be any sort of continuation of the D vs. B crap - this is a FACT FINDING topic to see what average 1/4 mile times are for your regular bolt-ons 99-00 Civic Si coupes.
The topic was locked (due to it being the ever-tired D vs B series topic) so I never had the chance to get the whole story, but I'm calling total bullshit.
It would take a good 180whp to get a 2500lb. Civic to run those times, even on slicks.
Who else here has ever seen first-hand a car with such mods running those sort of times?
Hopefully the guy who made the claims will chime in here with proof in videos, timeslips, pics, etc. but I seriously doubt it since his argument before was "I know what my car runs. If you've got an Si not running those times yours is slow"
Oh and for reference here's the last few pages of that topic to see how his claim developed - scroll the the bottom of this page:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1400401&page=2
Then read on to see his claims and a few people that replied who did not believe it, etc.
No this topic is NOT supposed to be any sort of continuation of the D vs. B crap - this is a FACT FINDING topic to see what average 1/4 mile times are for your regular bolt-ons 99-00 Civic Si coupes.
10-20-2005, 07:43 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
e-bench racing sucs 
Wish I could help you; I really have no gage of drag times, but that does seem pretty quick to me.
Wish I could help you; I really have no gage of drag times, but that does seem pretty quick to me.
10-20-2005, 07:45 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (AutoXer)
I dont see hatches with stock B16 on slicks run 13s. I barely see hatches with GSR's and slicks run 13s stock.
Its BS.
Its BS.
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
both those guys are complete idiots thinking that their SIs are the ****.
to get SI in 13's without a built motor, or forced induction is impossible.
to get SI in 13's without a built motor, or forced induction is impossible.
10-20-2005, 07:46 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (Luserkid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont see hatches with stock B16 on slicks run 13s. I barely see hatches with GSR's and slicks run 13s stock.
Its BS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
and those b16s in those hatches prolly put down more power then usdm b16 will.
THIS IS BULL ****.
Its BS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
and those b16s in those hatches prolly put down more power then usdm b16 will.
THIS IS BULL ****.
10-20-2005, 07:46 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
That seems wayyy to fast. Maybe 14's with those mods. Perhaps the car in question was gutted or something? idk, just tossing something out there. 
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10-20-2005, 07:50 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
Believe me I'm aware of what they usually turn, but I'm just wanting to see if anyone has ever seen some sort of freak or something.
I can't see any imaginable scenario allowing an i/h/e and MSD-equipped Si running anything better than 14.5 on slicks, much less anything in the 13 second range - 13.99 included.
I'll use an ITR as an example since they are about the same weight, but have at least 30 more whp:
ITRs usually pull mid 14's at the strip on street tires, so you figure they may pull high 13's on slicks - do you think that any 99-00 i/h/e MSD Si will have the 175whp or more it'd take to run high 13's?
I certainly don't.
I can't see any imaginable scenario allowing an i/h/e and MSD-equipped Si running anything better than 14.5 on slicks, much less anything in the 13 second range - 13.99 included.
I'll use an ITR as an example since they are about the same weight, but have at least 30 more whp:
ITRs usually pull mid 14's at the strip on street tires, so you figure they may pull high 13's on slicks - do you think that any 99-00 i/h/e MSD Si will have the 175whp or more it'd take to run high 13's?
I certainly don't.
10-20-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
I've heard of a VX on slicks run a high 13 with slicks. The guy actually works at Boomslang if you call there 
10-20-2005, 07:54 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (Enigma_Performance1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enigma_Performance1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've heard of a VX on slicks run a high 13 with slicks. The guy actually works at Boomslang if you call there </TD></TR></TABLE>
uhh what motor? fi or na? stripped or not stripped? details because if it's a stock VX they run 17s and are happy
</TD></TR></TABLE>uhh what motor? fi or na? stripped or not stripped? details because if it's a stock VX they run 17s and are happy
10-20-2005, 07:59 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (FERIOkid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FERIOkid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
uhh what motor? fi or na? stripped or not stripped? details because if it's a stock VX they run 17s and are happy </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ahh, the details, he swapped and ITR motor into it. I guess that comment isn't really on subject but it's interesting. It's a stock ITR motor (from Japan).
uhh what motor? fi or na? stripped or not stripped? details because if it's a stock VX they run 17s and are happy
</TD></TR></TABLE>Ahh, the details, he swapped and ITR motor into it. I guess that comment isn't really on subject but it's interesting. It's a stock ITR motor (from Japan).
10-20-2005, 07:59 AM
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friend with a 99 sir, basic bolt ons i/h/e, qaufe, and a 55shot of zex on street tires ran 14.5's all day long with a full interior. They are a heavy car. i cant see 13's with just i/h/e, and that amazing msd. Tell me how much power does an msd box add to a stock motor? my opinion? NONE
10-20-2005, 07:59 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (Enigma_Performance1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enigma_Performance1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've heard of a VX on slicks run a high 13 with slicks. The guy actually works at Boomslang if you call there </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah we're talking about a 99-00 Civic Si coupe with it's stock B16A with only mods being i/h/e, MSD ignition, and on slicks.
Not sure about the VX, but I guess we could save that one for another topic?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jameskersten1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i cant see 13's with just i/h/e, and that amazing msd. Tell me how much power does an msd box add to a stock motor? my opinion? NONE</TD></TR></TABLE>
No ****.
I have NEVER understood the need for any MSD bullshit on an other wise stock engine other than i/h/e.
If the stock honda ignition was found on Erick Aguilar's 10 second Civic, then it's good enough for any 140whp B16A!!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah we're talking about a 99-00 Civic Si coupe with it's stock B16A with only mods being i/h/e, MSD ignition, and on slicks.
Not sure about the VX, but I guess we could save that one for another topic?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jameskersten1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i cant see 13's with just i/h/e, and that amazing msd. Tell me how much power does an msd box add to a stock motor? my opinion? NONE</TD></TR></TABLE>
No ****.
I have NEVER understood the need for any MSD bullshit on an other wise stock engine other than i/h/e.
If the stock honda ignition was found on Erick Aguilar's 10 second Civic, then it's good enough for any 140whp B16A!!!
10-20-2005, 08:02 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (Luserkid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont see hatches with stock B16 on slicks run 13s. I barely see hatches with GSR's and slicks run 13s stock.
Its BS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
this is true
Its BS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
this is true
10-20-2005, 08:05 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (60-1c1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 60-1c1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
this is true </TD></TR></TABLE>B. ran a 13.8 on his stock b16a2 in an EG hatch.
this is true
</TD></TR></TABLE>B. ran a 13.8 on his stock b16a2 in an EG hatch.
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I read the thread and now I understand what's going on. Sounds like a lie to me. I'm not feeling that at all, no nothing and breaking 13's. Man, those cars are faster than I thought 
10-20-2005, 08:13 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (litterbox)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by litterbox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B. ran a 13.8 on his stock b16a2 in an EG hatch. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You swapped more HP into a lighter car, this guy is stock
You swapped more HP into a lighter car, this guy is stock
10-20-2005, 08:22 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (Enigma_Performance1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enigma_Performance1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You swapped more HP into a lighter car, this guy is stock </TD></TR></TABLE>I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to luserkid's post.
You swapped more HP into a lighter car, this guy is stock
</TD></TR></TABLE>I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to luserkid's post.
10-20-2005, 08:40 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (litterbox)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by litterbox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B. ran a 13.8 on his stock b16a2 in an EG hatch. </TD></TR></TABLE> Cx or Vx? Stripped? Slicks? Close to sealevel?
10-20-2005, 08:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In light of a recent topic I must ask this question, because there was some guy who was claming to run 13 second timeslips in an EM1 Si with the only mods being i/h/e, an MSD box, and on slicks.
The topic was locked (due to it being the ever-tired D vs B series topic) so I never had the chance to get the whole story, but I'm calling total bullshit.
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It is BS. When there is only a handful of light base EG hatches running 13.9's with I/H/E B16 there should be no reason a 500lb heavier car could come close to doing it. I don't even know why it's a topic on it...
The topic was locked (due to it being the ever-tired D vs B series topic) so I never had the chance to get the whole story, but I'm calling total bullshit.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is BS. When there is only a handful of light base EG hatches running 13.9's with I/H/E B16 there should be no reason a 500lb heavier car could come close to doing it. I don't even know why it's a topic on it...
10-20-2005, 08:44 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (nsxmatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Redcoupe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Cx or Vx? Stripped? Slicks? Close to sealevel?</TD></TR></TABLE>I don't even know the dude. Ask him.
10-20-2005, 09:06 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No ****.
I have NEVER understood the need for any MSD bullshit on an other wise stock engine other than i/h/e.
If the stock honda ignition was found on Erick Aguilar's 10 second Civic, then it's good enough for any 140whp B16A!!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have an MSD SCI on my bone-stock 260k mile D16Z6 because it helps gas mileage. I've put MSD ignition systems on every vehicle I've owned for that same reason. It bumped my 4.3 Vortec S10 up 3 miles per gallon 
On topic, though, I've never seen a street-tire EM1 with I/H/E break out of the mid-15's (low 15's maybe once), so I doubt a set of slicks is going to shave over one-and-a-half seconds from that figure. He's bullshitting and he's going to cry when he reads this thread
I have NEVER understood the need for any MSD bullshit on an other wise stock engine other than i/h/e.
If the stock honda ignition was found on Erick Aguilar's 10 second Civic, then it's good enough for any 140whp B16A!!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>I have an MSD SCI on my bone-stock 260k mile D16Z6 because it helps gas mileage
. I've put MSD ignition systems on every vehicle I've owned for that same reason. It bumped my 4.3 Vortec S10 up 3 miles per gallon On topic, though, I've never seen a street-tire EM1 with I/H/E break out of the mid-15's (low 15's maybe once), so I doubt a set of slicks is going to shave over one-and-a-half seconds from that figure. He's bullshitting and he's going to cry when he reads this thread
10-20-2005, 09:29 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (Archidictus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I have an MSD SCI on my bone-stock 260k mile D16Z6 because it helps gas mileage. I've put MSD ignition systems on every vehicle I've owned for that same reason. It bumped my 4.3 Vortec S10 up 3 miles per gallon </TD></TR></TABLE>
MPG yes. WHP? No. Not IMO. 99% of the people who add the MSD to their i/h/e Hondas/Acuras do it because it's the next "logical" step in the ricer magazine catalog racer mentality right after i/h/e.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On topic, though, I've never seen a street-tire EM1 with I/H/E break out of the mid-15's (low 15's maybe once), so I doubt a set of slicks is going to shave over one-and-a-half seconds from that figure. He's bullshitting and he's going to cry when he reads this thread</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly!
Someone gets it!
I have an MSD SCI on my bone-stock 260k mile D16Z6 because it helps gas mileage
. I've put MSD ignition systems on every vehicle I've owned for that same reason. It bumped my 4.3 Vortec S10 up 3 miles per gallon </TD></TR></TABLE>MPG yes. WHP? No. Not IMO. 99% of the people who add the MSD to their i/h/e Hondas/Acuras do it because it's the next "logical" step in the ricer magazine catalog racer mentality right after i/h/e.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On topic, though, I've never seen a street-tire EM1 with I/H/E break out of the mid-15's (low 15's maybe once), so I doubt a set of slicks is going to shave over one-and-a-half seconds from that figure. He's bullshitting and he's going to cry when he reads this thread
</TD></TR></TABLE>Exactly!
Someone gets it!
10-20-2005, 09:47 AM
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Re: Who Here Has Ever Seen 13 Second EM1 Si with only i/h/e MSD, and Slicks? (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
do you think that any 99-00 i/h/e MSD Si will have the 175whp or more it'd take to run high 13's?
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definitely not, to get 175hp out of an SI you'll need I/H/E, Manifold, CTR Cams, and tuned on Hondata and it puts down numbers i've seen from about 173-178 usually. There are exceptions but high 13s with just i/h/e msd....no.
And I'm not downing SI's, I own one, I'm just saying its not possible to get 13s with I/H/E
do you think that any 99-00 i/h/e MSD Si will have the 175whp or more it'd take to run high 13's?
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definitely not, to get 175hp out of an SI you'll need I/H/E, Manifold, CTR Cams, and tuned on Hondata and it puts down numbers i've seen from about 173-178 usually. There are exceptions but high 13s with just i/h/e msd....no.
And I'm not downing SI's, I own one, I'm just saying its not possible to get 13s with I/H/E