Wheels: Spoonsport SW388
10-02-2003, 07:23 AM
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Wheels: Spoonsport SW388
I have two wheels of this model.
I get them from local ring racers. Their are broken and seriosly dameged.
Do you know is there is posibilite to weld them with TIG and repair those wheels.
I know that there is a lot of Magnium and Titanim in those wheels.
My wheels are Russian fabrication.
I get them from local ring racers. Their are broken and seriosly dameged.
Do you know is there is posibilite to weld them with TIG and repair those wheels.
I know that there is a lot of Magnium and Titanim in those wheels.
My wheels are Russian fabrication.
10-02-2003, 08:10 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (Root79)
It isn't really that safe to drive around on welded rims.
10-02-2003, 08:14 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (tonyXcom)
Not much welding job, broke saide edge (tire protection edge) by 10 cm of rim. It is wery difficult to get those rims from Russia. And you how much their cost in US.
10-02-2003, 08:17 AM
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You dont have to get them from Russia, get them from Japan.
In the US they are about 385 or less a peice.
I would much rather pay for new ones then to risk my car or life over saving a few hundred dollars.
In the US they are about 385 or less a peice.
I would much rather pay for new ones then to risk my car or life over saving a few hundred dollars.
10-02-2003, 08:18 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (Root79)
Yes nain reasos that I take them, their are for free. I normal way thos rims must go to trush can, but I will try to do something.
Because I have more two those rims in good condition.
Because I have more two those rims in good condition.
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10-02-2003, 08:21 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (Root79)
They all maded in Russia, ore samples which will finished in Japan. And those that you have in US are made in Russia, I think so.
10-02-2003, 08:24 AM
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The Spoon wheels are made in Russia by Desmond.
We can get both the Spoon brand or Desmond brand wheels in the states.
We can get both the Spoon brand or Desmond brand wheels in the states.
10-02-2003, 08:44 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (tonyXcom)
how do you think they recondition wheels???
They weld the lip back together, and spin it on a lathe.
Of course it's fine to fix them, but it's a matter of WHO will fix them. I wouldn't trust some regular ole chap with a welder to do so. Have a wheel repair shop fix them.
They weld the lip back together, and spin it on a lathe.
Of course it's fine to fix them, but it's a matter of WHO will fix them. I wouldn't trust some regular ole chap with a welder to do so. Have a wheel repair shop fix them.
10-02-2003, 08:48 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (Emerika)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you think they recondition wheels???
They weld the lip back together, and spin it on a lathe.
Of course it's fine to fix them, but it's a matter of WHO will fix them. I wouldn't trust some regular ole chap with a welder to do so. Have a wheel repair shop fix them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I never said that you couldn't fix them, I said it wasn't safe to fix them.
We are talking about a forged wheel here. Not a cast OEM wheel.
They weld the lip back together, and spin it on a lathe.
Of course it's fine to fix them, but it's a matter of WHO will fix them. I wouldn't trust some regular ole chap with a welder to do so. Have a wheel repair shop fix them.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I never said that you couldn't fix them, I said it wasn't safe to fix them.
We are talking about a forged wheel here. Not a cast OEM wheel.
10-04-2003, 04:34 AM
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There is "JIL AIM" index on those wheels. I saw that index on other company wheels. What does it mean?
Sadly only one wheel can be restored.
Sadly only one wheel can be restored.
10-04-2003, 05:42 AM
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (Root79)
I think this JIL you are looking at might actually be JW, which is Japan Wheel, which means that wheel has met the standards to be used on the roads in Japan.
Sorta like ECODE, or CARB, i dunno, it's a safety standard that is required before you can drive with those wheels on a road.
Sorta like ECODE, or CARB, i dunno, it's a safety standard that is required before you can drive with those wheels on a road.
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Re: Wheels: Spoonsport SW388 (Root79)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Root79 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm talking about those wheels:
</TD></TR></TABLE>duh....who the hell didnt know what rims you were talking about??? i would have to agree with a few other members and say it isnt safe to roll around on welded rims....save some money and get new one or used ones that havent been "broken"
</TD></TR></TABLE>duh....who the hell didnt know what rims you were talking about??? i would have to agree with a few other members and say it isnt safe to roll around on welded rims....save some money and get new one or used ones that havent been "broken"
10-04-2003, 06:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you think they recondition wheels???
They weld the lip back together, and spin it on a lathe.
Of course it's fine to fix them, but it's a matter of WHO will fix them. I wouldn't trust some regular ole chap with a welder to do so. Have a wheel repair shop fix them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
They will GENERALLY (I'm sure some companies do what you said)... only re-shape the wheel or add material to fill out a gouge... they (the good companies that take metalugical concerns into account) will NOT weld a wheel back together... They would only lathe or press/roll it back into shape... then SOME (very few) would put it through certain heat cycling process' to regain the original rigidity...
As mentioned this is a forged wheel... The entire point of it is it's density and strength... once compramised it's not going to be restored... the look of the wheel may be but for nowhere under 100-200 dollars... So now you have 2 100 dollar wheels that are less safe then knockoff's when you could have spent a little more money and either gotten a whole set of knockoffs or saved up and had a full set of spoons for the cost of 2...
I would not recomend repairing a wheel that has any kind of seperation or tearing... I also wouldn't repair a bent wheel myself (obviously I'm talking about severe bends... I'll hammer out a ding in a steelie any day.)... I'd only trust one of the very few companies that address it's need for heat-treatment to regain original strength... which costs sooo much it's next to pointless... you wouldn't be saving much money... it's only semi-justifiable when it's a non-replacable wheel.
They weld the lip back together, and spin it on a lathe.
Of course it's fine to fix them, but it's a matter of WHO will fix them. I wouldn't trust some regular ole chap with a welder to do so. Have a wheel repair shop fix them.
</TD></TR></TABLE>They will GENERALLY (I'm sure some companies do what you said)... only re-shape the wheel or add material to fill out a gouge... they (the good companies that take metalugical concerns into account) will NOT weld a wheel back together... They would only lathe or press/roll it back into shape... then SOME (very few) would put it through certain heat cycling process' to regain the original rigidity...
As mentioned this is a forged wheel... The entire point of it is it's density and strength... once compramised it's not going to be restored... the look of the wheel may be but for nowhere under 100-200 dollars... So now you have 2 100 dollar wheels that are less safe then knockoff's when you could have spent a little more money and either gotten a whole set of knockoffs or saved up and had a full set of spoons for the cost of 2...
I would not recomend repairing a wheel that has any kind of seperation or tearing... I also wouldn't repair a bent wheel myself (obviously I'm talking about severe bends... I'll hammer out a ding in a steelie any day.)... I'd only trust one of the very few companies that address it's need for heat-treatment to regain original strength... which costs sooo much it's next to pointless... you wouldn't be saving much money... it's only semi-justifiable when it's a non-replacable wheel.
10-04-2003, 12:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG2 SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my buddy is a welder and he says that a good weld is stronger than them actual material you are repairing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
In the case of a forged aluminum wheel, I don't think that is true.
In the case of a forged aluminum wheel, I don't think that is true.
10-04-2003, 12:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tonyXcom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
In the case of a forged aluminum wheel, I don't think that is true.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll have to ask him.... He does do a lot of steel work.
In the case of a forged aluminum wheel, I don't think that is true.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll have to ask him.... He does do a lot of steel work.
10-04-2003, 02:39 PM
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That's a welder's mis-nomer...
If you ask an engineer what's the weakest point of a chassis (be it uni-body or frame on chassis or tube chassis (the only exception is hydro-formed) is the joints an in turn their welds... And the steel used in the body for uni-body isn't even that strong...
My wood shop teacher told me a good glue joint is stronger then the material... (which is the case SORT OF)... but I'm not going to glue my wooden peg-leg back together and walk on it.
If you ask an engineer what's the weakest point of a chassis (be it uni-body or frame on chassis or tube chassis (the only exception is hydro-formed) is the joints an in turn their welds... And the steel used in the body for uni-body isn't even that strong...
My wood shop teacher told me a good glue joint is stronger then the material... (which is the case SORT OF)... but I'm not going to glue my wooden peg-leg back together and walk on it.