psegs80

I have right know a 2000 civic 2dr coupe with a jdm b18b I have droped a good 3000$ or more and got 172whp and 129ft-lbs of torque on the dyno!!! I(t's NA setup)

I can get a b16b that's has been raced 2 times but fully rebuild and puts out 180 whp and 115 ft-lbs of torque!!! I would put this in a 94 civic hatch!!

What would be faster???

The reason I want to know is I'm going to do body work interior work and suspension and I want to know wich car you guys think I should run???

daklown

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play gran turismo and see.

blkhatch92

ive never b16b?? . . i dunno, maybe i need to refurrbish my engine knowledge, but if your talking about a b16a in a 94 hatch, i woudl put my money on the hatch, it would bust your 00 coupe a new *bleep* hole

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B16B. Civic type R motor

Archidictus

If you know how to drive, the LS motor will be faster because of the significant torque advantage.

psegs80

Thanks man...yes it's jdm b18b...this one has machine knife crank forger rods, Toda valve train and toda camshafts!!!!

psegs80

I can't boost my b18b cause the compression is 11.2:1 witch is to high!!! I actualy can't squeeze anything more out of both engines!!!

spuddo01

wow man ur on honda-tech and you dont know what a b16b is. go with the hatch.

psegs80

sorry the above post I ment jdm b16b has the toda stuff in it!!!

So you think higher torque in a heavy car is faster the a flat line 115 of torque with higher HP ????

psegs80

Hey don't want to cause anything here but if you read the post you will see that the guy (me) inquiring about the b16b in the hatch did not ask about what a b16b was !!

Again just clarifying don't want drama here!!

fastrunner

b16b is the better engine, much better than LS, look at it this way... Which engine costs more? B16b is handbuilt much better flowing head and has oil squirters, block webbing, VTEC, and the potential as an NA engine to be both streetable and fast, cant do that with LS. I have a b16b from a friends coupe in the garage, for an NA car it hauled ***. We also revved it to 10,000 its the best/rev happy b series vtec motor, can rev higher than B18c5, cuz the rod stroke ration is more in favor of the engine, hence the lack of torque but the abundance of horsepower.

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you mean if he doesnt know how to drive, the torque only helps off the line, once the RPMs are up the B16b will beat the LS (stock for stock).

Archidictus

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You're a ******* idiot. No one listen to this kid. Ever.

A.) HP is nothing more than (Torque x RPM)/5250

B.) we're not talking about stock motors: we're talking about two very highly modified motors.

C.) Give me both engines in the same car and I guarantee you my lap times will be better in the LS engine equipped chassis.

Torque only helps at launch...please.

PphamEK

True Archidictus, he is ****** retarded, this case Hp is not a big issue cuz its not a big diff. If u talk to any one that races alot they will tell u that the launch is the main thing for a fwd car. u will get torque with the ls.but u gonna have to watch out for the vtec.
ITS UP TO THE DRIVERS

psegs80

Thanks guys for your helpfull imput...now yes both engines are highly moded, the only thing that could really be done on both is a MSD system wich I'm not to keen about!!! I'm worried that the extra weight of the 2000 2dr coupe would offset the higher torque!!! I guess at this point I will go with the setup that holds the road better????

The b16b: Toda clutch+flywheel combo+ valvetraine+camshafts, knife machined crank, 5 angle valve job, forged rods and out spoon headers! (comp of 11.8:1 and 9500rpm red line)

The b18b (jdm has smaller combustion chamber) Knife crank, P30 pistons, port and polish with 3 angle valve job, crane valvetraine, crower 404 cams, act clucth and CTR toda spec machined flywheel and skunk 2 intake manifold and out some mystery 4-2-1 jdm polished headers I pickup form a jdm engine shop!!!! ( 11.2:1 comp and 8000rpm red line)

xEnderx

I've owned both a B18B and a B16B and I can tell you that stock versus stock with their respective transmissions the 16B is faster.


Now if you put a 172 whp LS on a Type R transmission it would be a pretty beastly little setup.


The B16B would be a DOG with anything less than a Type R trans...IMHO.

Edit: Didn't see that last post.....I'd go with the B16B as long as you have a good trans to put it on.

Good ol' Screwtape

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Wow, really? Even with those long gears vs. the B16B and LSD? Ah, but he never said what transmission he was using for his LS.

xEnderx

^^^ No, it won't.

dohcMONSTER

LS motor with an ITR or CTR tranny. best of power and gearing

Good ol' Screwtape

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Why not a less-expensive B16A tranny with an LSD that's better than a stock Honda one?

jdm_tim

uhhhhh the hatch

psegs80

I have a Jdm Ls tranny on the 98 b18b and no Limited slip!!!! I'm in Ottawa Canada and I can't find a b16a jdm tranny

My big thing at this point is wich car handles better???? ( with the same amount upgrades to the suspension and chassis + same rubber)

xEnderx

If you can't get a B16 tranny then don't even bother with the B16B. It has NO ***** until about 4500 RPM and you'll also need a CTR/ITR flywheel to really take advantage of it.

Good ol' Screwtape

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I vote for the hatch with B16B. You're saying they have the "same amount" of suspension upgrades and the same wheel/tire setup, but LSD is probably one of the single best things you can do to improve handling.

xEnderx

^^^ True, but he's goign to be running the motor on a crap *** LS trans.

psegs80

truly eh!!! I just hate the look of the hatch but love taking v8 LOL

But I kind of like the new project aspect with the 94 hatch but again hate the look of it big time!!! Actualy I have been trying to find a nice lip kit for it abd can't find much!!!!