Gr8Wyt3

just like the topic, and also is it the same tranny that comes in a 99-00 si

evilhatchb16

nope not a chance - the tranny that comes with th 1st gen b16 is cable shifted - the tranny in the 99-00Si is Hydro...BIG difference - i would know i have a 1st gen b16!

B18C5-EH2

Here are the various trannies offered with the JDM first-gen B16A swaps:

1. J1
2. S1
3. Y1

They are all cable-type clutch trannies, so you will need a HASport or Place cable-to-hydro conversion kit. It works, but it doesn't feel as positive as the real hydro trannies.

The cable trannies are notorious for having grinds and just overall shittyness from being old. The problem with them is that once they go bad you're screwed because there are no rebuild parts offered here in the U.S except for one or two guys on -H-T that can get the synchro kits for $350.00 or so. Add the labor and trouble to do the rebuild and you should have just bought a true hydro second-gen B16A swap to begin with.

The J1/S1 has the same 1-4 gears that the USDM ITR S80 tranny has, but the 5th gear is shorter. Combine this with the 4.400 FD and you have a really nice tranny for all-motor or near-stock motor, but it has really high freeway cruising rpm.

The Y1 has taller gearing and the 4.26 FD. It's not as good for all-motor or near-stock motor. The only plus for these is the rare optional LSD. To me it's simply not worth the trade off for the LSD to have taller gearing and the 4.26 FD.

WARNING!!!

There were also U.S spec cable B-Series trannies, and one of them is also an S1 tranny.

This is easily confused for the good JDM S1 tranny, but it has the tallest/shittiest gearing of all the B-Series trannies and also has the 4.26 FD.

Some slick people swap the JDM lower mileage S1 tranny for the shittier USDM S1 tranny and you get screwed while they sell off the JDM S1 for a premium price.

So bottom line:

If you want to do a B16A swap in a 1992-1995 Civic and you absolutely will not buy the correct hydro trannied swaps, get a swap with the J1 tranny. It's the only one you know for sure that has the good gearing and 4.400 FD.

I'd recommend doing it the right way and simply getting the second gen B16A. In the end you *might* save a few hundred dollars by getting the cable swap, but some end up paying the same or MORE for them after they round up the extra parts to get the first-gen into your 1992-1995 Civic.

Here's some extras that you need to get the first-gen B16A to work in your 1992-1995 Civic:

1. Mount kit with cable-to-hydro convertor - $650.00 or so
2. OBD1 VTEC distributor: $150.00-$200.00
3. 1990-1993 Integra Axles(?): $120.00 a piece if you're lucky, but usually they'll add $50.00 for no cores
4. Re-chipped P28 ECU or OBD1 P30 (rare!) ECU: $300.00
5. Exhuast manifold/header because the first-gen doesn't work right: $name your price

So now you have a weaker, older first-gen B16A that requires more headaches than the drop-in straight forward second-gen swap.

Also, you now only utilize 4 engine mounts rather than 5 like it is stock because the cable tranny has no place for the passenger side anti-roll mount.

Add it all up and compare it for yourself.

First-gen swap with engine, tranny, and wrong pre-OBD ECU: $1,150.00

Now add all the costs for extra parts: $1,270.00

Now you have $2,420.00 in the swap. I'll be fair and subtract the price for the sold pre-OBD distributor and ECU - $250.00 or so hopefully.

So in the end you spent around $2,170.00 for the first-gen swap.

Compare that to the $2,450.00 for the full SiR and SiRII hydro/second-gen swap. You get 170hp and a better tranny. You get to bolt it in like the stock 1992-1995 motors also. No mount kit or convertors needed.

Prices were taken from http://www.hondamotorsonline.com and the price list is here:

http://www.hondamotorsonline.com/sho...USDM%20Engines

Did any of that make sense?



[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 1:23 PM 9/1/2002]

sirminder

how can i know what tranny i got with my sirII? the metalic barcode label is not on the tranny? how do i know which one i got?

B18C5-EH2

It should be stamped Y21.

B18C5-EH2

TTT in case others are wondering the same thing.

fire7882

If you take your time looking for parts, the b16a first gen will be cheaper. I did it this summer in a 95 civic ex.
Engine swap 1100
Traded d16 for 2000si tranny
sold d16 tranny for 150
sold cable tranny for 350
sold pwo ecu for 175
Got p28 rechipped for 100 (hyperducktuning.com)
bought obd1 dist for 225 new
sold obd0 dist for 190
bought engine mounts i needed for 125
bought axles and midshaft from ebay for 180
Cut and welded my old shift linkage to fit.

Total cost 865 dollars not including performance parts and i still have the 90-93 axles and intermediate shaft to sell along with a starter and a ton of other misc. parts

You just have to be very patient and wait for the good deals.

B18C5-EH2

Well if we're talking killer deals and horsetrading then a second-gen B16A swap can be had for much cheaper than $2,450.00 as well. You also got a hydro tranny - this eliminates the need for the $650.00 HASport kit. BUT most people won't just get a hydro tranny for a D16 motor.



So which mounts did you use then?

fire7882

I know. I did get some good deals and for someone that dosn't have all summer to wait around for the good buys, the second gen motor is a much better choice. It is also more direct and you don't have the headache of trying to figure everything out.

I used all stock mounts. i had to buy the gsr rear bracket and the driverside engine bracket. all of the other mounts worked from my d16 and the 2 lower front mounts were given to me by the person who traded the s4c tranny with me.

I was going to buy a clutch from you for this swap, but i need to pay off some student loans and couldn't come up with the cash. Also, thanks for the help you gave me about picking out a tranny.

Could you recomend a good shop for body work in this area. I don't want it painted, I just need some body work done. I will paint it with a little help fom a pro.


[Modified by fire7882, 1:42 PM 9/3/2002]

B18C5-EH2

Oh sweet, you're in Atlanta.



Quality Collision ion Forest Park did my car. They are really reasonable and do killer work. (404)366-0080 and ask for Mike, he's the owner. Tell him Tom with the silver hatch sent you.

Trey

I had a Y1 in my crx and it SUCKED at the track.

Pullled like a biotch on the hwy though.