cegleitz

i searched, but i didn't find it. i just finished the main biggest bolt ons
and i was wondering what i should do next for better handling? should
i get strut bars or springs, or something else. I don't have money for
a swap but i want my car to handle better than what it does, so what
should i do first? Thanks for the help.

2slo2ugly

A nice set of coilovers and shocks does a civic wonders..............

cegleitz

what kind would you recomend that aren't overly expensive? How much are koni yellows? i know alot people like those? Thanks for the help

96hb

Lots of people here run the Koni yellows with Ground Control coilovers. The GC's run about $285, give or take a few bucks. I think the next popular shocks are the KYB AGX paired with some sort of nice lowering spring, such as H&R or Eibach. I'd go with Koni's if you plan to autox...KYB's if you want a nice shock for a great price. They usually run around $285-300 new. Good luck.

B18C5-EH2

KYB AG-x struts are bad-***, adjustable, have a lifetime warranty, and they're inexpensive.

I say get those and some Ground Control coil-overs with Integra rates.

Strut tower bars, lower tie bars, etc. are a waste IMO and do very little to enhance handling.

I say do the struts/coil-over, get an alignment, and get used to the car.

Later you can add a rear swaybar (or a bigger one if you alreay have one) to help the *** end come around more and combat understeer.

B18C5-EH2

BTW:

If you can afford the Konis, get them. I went from KYB-AGX to Konis and the Konis are definately better, but they cost more too.

I had to run Konis because they handle a stiffer spring than the KYB-AGX does and I'm running really stiff-*** custom Eibach coil-over springs.

but for Ground Controls the KYB-AGX will work awesome.

cegleitz

ok, thanks alot for the help. you all are quick, i love honda-tech. Wish me luck.

skunk2civicsi

strut bars do very lil with handling?!? do you have em or not? because i have skunk2 front and rear tower bars, and it does help relieve body roll... and jus from going from the stock Si front strut, to the skunk2 unit, i felt more response, and even less roll... i think a full set of front and rear struts and rear sway and rear ties are well worth the money and are jus as important as good shocks and springs and lowering the center of gravity.

cegleitz

one more thing, where would you recomend
getting these at?

*the KYB AGX's

96hb

I'd get them from ebay. Here ya go. Check the link.

http://search.ebay.com/search/...arch=

B18C5-EH2

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Sorry I simply disagree.

Strut bars will do nothing to reduce roll - swaybars do that, as well as stiffer rated springs.

My old 1992 Si had all the strut tower bars (front upper, rear upper and lower) with some Skunk2 coil-overs on KYB/AGX struts.

My 1992 Cx has stiffer springs, Koni Yellows, and a rear swaybar with NO strut bars at all and my CX handles much better.

Do they make a difference?

Sure.

Do most peoples' minds stretch the functions of the strut bars?

Yes.

It's called the "placebo effect" and bascially it means your mind tricks you into thinking "holy **** these bars made a [n]HUGE[/b] difference!" when in fact they are not nearly as important as good springs, struts, swaybars, and bushings.

Also something many people fail to think of when handling is the topic at hand:

The best suspension in the world can be negated by shitty tires. Sticky tires can make or break a car.

elevatethis

eh, not to get into a strut bar fight, but I will say that my steering feels more stable during a hard corner with the strut bars on. I got all my susp stuff at the same time and just to see if strut bars really made a diff, I put them on before anything else (front upper, rear upper, rear lower). Like I said, I noticed that the steering just wasn't as sloppy; but placebo effect is still very possible.

cegleitz

thanks for the feedback. should i get the struts and the
coilovers at the same time or would it be ok to get
one and buy the other one down the road a bit? Thanks

Mr Hammond

Sorry but your chassis upper shock mounting points are definitely not going to flex with "street" spring rates and tires. They are pretty worthless. Once you get into a category where it does matter, you should have a roll cage that goes through the firewall that ties into your front strut tower and a rear integrated bar anyways.

They sure do *bling* though.

cegleitz

uh

SoSlo

just stick with the sprincs and shocks for now then decide later if you want to put mor $$ into handeling. just springs and shocks make a world of a difference.

Daniel

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Do most peoples' minds stretch the functions of the strut bars?

Yes.

It's called the "placebo effect" and bascially it means your mind tricks you into thinking "holy **** these bars made a [n]HUGE[/b] difference!" when in fact they are not nearly as important as good springs, struts, swaybars, and bushings.
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I'll have to agree with this statement. Everyone was telling me that strut bars would really help, but when I put on my Neuspeed strut bar, didn't feel any difference. I wrote the same thing on my webpage, too. Yeah, it looks great when I pop my hood, but I doubt I'll miss it if I remove it and sell it. My rear Progress RASB was the best suspension mod by far. Pretty cheap, too.