Syndacate

What's with that other 2.0L engine...I think it's the F20, not the RSX K20...I'm not sure, I think it came in some accord, I recall seeing it on some engine codes page thing..

I was j/w why I've never heard of it being swapped before...is it too hard of a swap or something? Wouldn't expect it to be harder than an H22 if it requires custom fab work...

I searched but all that came back was a WTB ad and some project car

Why's it so not popular? Or maybe what makes a B more popular? Just the compatability? .. Or what makes it less popular than an H22, I dont' get it, it's a nice displacment size, and I'm sure u can put a vtec head on it, no?

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Yeah I just searched, the F20 (not the S2k motor) and the A20...blah?

RockLee`

i dunno, i wanna know too

RedEK9

iTrader: (1)

It's an F20b, it came off of some SIR accord I believe.

Lewy. Dee Ayy

iTrader: (1)

iv seen it done....heard it was fun..theres a thread some where.

96-EJ6 B18C

F20B 97-98 Long Block
200Hp 145Trq 11.0 Compression (JDM)

From HMO...pretty much the same as an H22, with a bit less torque. All the same stuff is required to swap it in to a Civic/Integra as an H22.

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Why's it so not popular? Or maybe what makes a B more popular? Just the compatability? .. Or what makes it less popular than an H22, I dont' get it, it's a nice displacment size, and I'm sure u can put a vtec head on it, no?

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Yes, and it is VTEC stock.

Syndacate

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200Hp 145Trq 11.0 Compression (JDM)

From HMO...pretty much the same as an H22, with a bit less torque. All the same stuff is required to swap it in to a Civic/Integra as an H22.

Yes, and it is VTEC stock. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What about the other B20 (non CRV), I just read that there was a B20 in the prelude's at one point? (I thought it was always H22's)

And how is it the same as an H22? Doesn't the B20's motor mounts bolt right in...no custom fab?

Jhonny Ricer

Tahts the euro accord Type R motor isnt it?

24TEN

iTrader: (2)

the B20 you are reffering to is from the older preludes (88-91) which is before H22's came about. not the same as other B-Series motors.

96-EJ6 B18C

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What about the other B20 (non CRV), I just read that there was a B20 in the prelude's at one point? (I thought it was always H22's)

And how is it the same as an H22? Doesn't the B20's motor mounts bolt right in...no custom fab?</TD></TR></TABLE>

B-series (NOT the old prelude ones) will bolt in with stock mounts.

H-Series and F-Series (including the F20B that is under discussion) require conversion mounts to bolt in to a civic/teg. The F20C (S2000) engine will not bolt in.

knockout

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What about the other B20 (non CRV), I just read that there was a B20 in the prelude's at one point? (I thought it was always H22's)

And how is it the same as an H22? Doesn't the B20's motor mounts bolt right in...no custom fab?</TD></TR></TABLE>

those b20 prelude's are completely different from h22's and crv b20's.

b20 preludes (88-91) were dual sidedraft carburated. you wont want one.

and yes, the f20b came in accord Si-R's (90-93) stock DOHC VTEC

knockout

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Yeah I just searched, the F20 (not the S2k motor) and the A20...blah?</TD></TR></TABLE>

A20a1's are pieces of crap. SOHC 12 valve dual carb'd junk.

a20a3's are practically the same, just fuel injected.

Syndacate

Word...so the best bet for a 2.0 engine would be the B20 out of the CRV or the H22 (I know that's 2.2.....)

skilled1

yes, the b20 would be the best no vtec engine to swap into your car, seeing as how H/F are for Accords and Preludes, not Civics.

However if you are planning on a budget build, and do want to go vtec on the b20 i do not suggest it, although it is the best combination [b20 bottom b16/b18 head] to make sure it si done right is very expensive.

best bet is to get a b18, and swap, or save for a K

JCracer723

there are tons on info in the site.. too bad kids now days use type some weird titles and thats why you cant find the info..

here is a good thread about the f23..


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1658106

Chem Geek

F20B is very similar to the H22, shares many parts. It's basically is -2mm on bore and -2.7mm on stroke compared to a H22A, so it's down on displacement but revs up a bit higher (8400 stock IIRC). Due to the higher compression and destroked bottom end, it can respond really well to just a valvetrain upgrade (cams, springs, retainers, etc) with basic bolt-ons. I seem to recall one making over 200whp and reving to like 9k, but I can't seem to find the thread.

suspendedHatch

bisimoto

knockout

b20's suck, get an h22 and be done with it, you'll be glad when your sleeves dont crack.

Das Bar 2k4

it's a destroked h22 from the sir accord over in europe they also used the motor when they use to use the accord to do touring races. i've seen 300 hp from one but i can't find the site for it but it's a great motor just not common among swaps bc not ever one knows about the motor. all the ports are smaller that the h22 and the valves but it's just as strong as an h22 just not as much tq.

Syndacate

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I really do like the H22, that was going to be the main motor I was going to go with (still suttering between a N/A stock H22 or a D-series Turbo) but first of all u have to custom fit it, you have to use different axles and like everything's fabbed 'cause nothing's made for it, and then on top of that, I hear you have to suffer having no power steering?

Hell no , I drive w/ one hand, no PS is no option :-\

And let's not forget it's size? I keep hearing complaints about slammin the oil pan on **** b/c it's such a big mother ******...

professor poon

One thing I dont get is how k20 didnt come up once in this discussion... from the sounds of things, that's what you want... or if not, why not?

O RLY

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I second that comment.

MotorMouth

No stay with the b series. H motors are not good, the block cylinder is softer and weaker, they lose compression quickly and develope oil leaks very easily. Look at the power you get from an H22, and look at a B series. For 1/2 a liter of displacement you aren't getting very much more... Besides headaches. Also look at drag cars, all motor and FI, almost all are B series. They are stouter blocks, even the b18a/b and b20 blocks are decent.

Not to disuade you from and H22, but you will have more headaches, IMO.

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Unless you are boosting the motor you won't crack the cylinders on a B20 with the stock redline. Cracked sleeves happen more often on NA h22's than B series motors.



H22^^^^ Right thur, and it was completely stock 65k. Regular maintenance and all.

b00sted_hatch

there is the J series motors. ive never seen that done.

JCracer723

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urs cracked?

knockout

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urs cracked?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont have one, and i will never have one.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MotorMouth &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No stay with the b series. H motors are not good, the block cylinder is softer and weaker, they lose compression quickly and develope oil leaks very easily. Look at the power you get from an H22, and look at a B series. For 1/2 a liter of displacement you aren't getting very much more... Besides headaches. Also look at drag cars, all motor and FI, almost all are B series. They are stouter blocks, even the b18a/b and b20 blocks are decent.

Not to disuade you from and H22, but you will have more headaches, IMO.

Unless you are boosting the motor you won't crack the cylinders on a B20 with the stock redline. Cracked sleeves happen more often on NA h22's than B series motors. </TD></TR></TABLE>

1. H series is getting more and more popular among racers

2. More displacement and less gain, I'll give you that, but the potential is the same as a b. its just like a 2.2 b series, hardly any difference in design.

3. arent b18a/b, and b20 blocks identical besides the sleeves?

4. The stock redline on a b20 is what, 6200? im not a ricer that thinks revving makes more power, but if you want more power out of a 4 cylinder, it wont make any of it below 4k. and that'll give you a powerband of about 2k, a 5.0 v8 will redline at around 6.8k, lets face it, b20's are weaksauce and werent designed to be high revving high horsepower motors. just torquey little light truck totters.