hondapwr1621

I am planning on doing a gsr swap on my 99 civic and want to know if I could put a type r head on that motor and if I can will it make much of a difference.

JDM_Ej

You should search. Yes you can easilly put an ITR head onto a GSR, and you will see a significant power gain, as long as the head is complete. But the GSR bottom end wont like revving as high as the ITR head will let you.

thrty8street

iTrader: (7)

so how high can you rev with the gsr block vs the ITR block?

FLCivic

actually I think you will lose some compression with the itr head on gsr block.

hondapwr1621

so what should I do to help my bottom end?

komat

new piston/rods will help

92b16vx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FLCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually I think you will lose some compression with the itr head on gsr block.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes you will. You'd be better off getting cams,valvetrain, having the GSR head PnPed, and getting an ITR style IM for it, then chipping the ECU to run it.

thrty8street

iTrader: (7)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondapwr1621 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what should I do to help my bottom end?</TD></TR></TABLE>


what about thinner head gasket

dfoxengr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_Ej &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But the GSR bottom end wont like revving as high as the ITR head will let you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i really dont know where you kids get this kind of info.

that is totally wrong

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_Ej &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You should search. Yes you can easilly put an ITR head onto a GSR, and you will see a significant power gain, as long as the head is complete. But the GSR bottom end wont like revving as high as the ITR head will let you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ummm, WHAT?

hondapwr1621

so then what is right?

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondapwr1621 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so then what is right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Saying the GSR bottom end won't rev like the ITR one is lame. The difference is minimal between the two. Rods are slightly stronger on ITR and the pistons are obviously different. Thats it. YES, it can rev just a high.

dfoxengr

and the crank

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the crank</TD></TR></TABLE>

Crank = same

dfoxengr

wrong

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>

Alright, tell me the difference then. Please.

"Unlike the base crankshaft, additional balancing weights were added on number 1 and 4, and allows for smooth, high-rpm revving -- making it a 8-weight, fully-balanced crankshaft. "

That it? I had my whole lower assembly balanced, so I guess that makes it the same now.

usdmike

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG-B20vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only difference is in the width of the counterweights</TD></TR></TABLE>


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1148571

gReeN gOblIn 11

the type-r crank is a bit stronger as is the rods...the pistons are similar yet the type r are a bit stronger. the valve train in the type r is better being it has a mild port and polish from factory and the duration of the cams is more on the type R...the type motor though is just a slightly upgraded gs-r, the intkae manifold is also diff.

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DannyVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the type-r crank is a bit stronger as is the rods...the pistons are similar yet the type r are a bit stronger. the valve train in the type r is better being it has a mild port and polish from factory and the duration of the cams is more on the type R...the type motor though is just a slightly upgraded gs-r, the intkae manifold is also diff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

We know these basics.. And from what I can see, the crank is NO STRONGER then a GSR one, just balanced better for high rpm use.

usdmike

I guess there is more too

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=423970

wow, I'm in a searching mood today.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ]TRuST
GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> specs from grand-am
http://www.grand-am.com/granda...R.pdf

ITR specs from grand-am
http://www.grand-am.com/granda...u.pdf</TD></TR></TABLE>




Modified by usdmike at 7:08 PM 3/31/2005

LiL MaN213

i got a itr block with a gsr head if u want it

Kyles ej1

keep your head so u dont lose compression and just get the itr valvetrain. youll be alot happier and the gsr block can handle revving that high but u have to get your ecu chipped cuz the stock one wont let u rev that high

Shaun

what a thread!... you will lose compression

Lee_Delso

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DannyVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the type motor though is just a slightly upgraded gs-r, the intkae manifold is also diff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry but I have to disagree with you, a gsr and itr head is totally different. If you knew what you were talking about a itr motor uses a pr3 which is the same as a b16 but with better valvetrain and slightly ported, etc. Putting a itr head on a gsr block will work but you would have to change the gsr pistons for some itr pistons so you will get your higher compression back. Unless you are going turbo then that would be a benfit for you...lower compression.