Transmission
 

Hi guys, im new to the forum so what's up everyone. I do have a question for you guys and i dont know if its a newb question or not but anyways, I have a 98civic hx, and the problem is, it doesnt switch gears... i put my shift to Drive, and step on gas all the way up to 120... no shift or nothing.... So i was wondering if my tranmission is not hooked up right or fucked up or that's the way it is.... can someone plz help me... Thanks https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DragoonBear &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi guys, im new to the forum so what's up everyone. I do have a question for you guys and i dont know if its a newb question or not but anyways, I have a 98civic hx, and the problem is, it doesnt switch gears... i put my shift to Drive, and step on gas all the way up to 120... no shift or nothing.... So i was wondering if my tranmission is not hooked up right or fucked up or that's the way it is.... can someone plz help me... Thanks https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

You've got to explain your problem more clearly...

up to 120 what??? mph... if so then your trans is DEFINATELY shifting otherwise your engine would be at like 45,000 rpm at 120 mph in first.

try to be more clear about what you're asking.

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

welcome to h-t

if its auto you shouldn't feel the shifts...they should be smooth. and definatly if the 120 is mph there isn't anything wrong w/ your trans shifting

Re: Transmission (Cypher0117)
 

it is 120 mph, but the rpm never comes back..... it only goes up and i have to hold it on like 6000 rpm for a long time for it to speed up because there is no more gear...... i dont feel any gear changing at all.... even with my radio off lol...

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

&lt;- confused

Re: Transmission (JDM Vision)
 

Hey everyone, I know this guy, and I drove his car a little bit in the parking lot at school. Basically what he's saying is the car's tachometer isn't responding after first gear. In first gear the tach will travel all the way up to 6000rpm's and from there hold steady, but the car will continue to accelerate. I am going to ride with him tomorrow at higher speeds to get a better idea, but that's all I could tell from the short parking lot. TIA for any input though... I have no idea what he's really talking about either lol.

Re: Transmission (JDM Vision)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM Vision &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">&lt;- confused </TD></TR></TABLE>

me too

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

with the vague description we can only give u vague ansers...heres the best ive got

electrical:
cluster..wiring...ecu...tachometer malfunction

Motor:
transmission is stuck in certain gears

other:
put gear oil (atf or mtf)

Re: Transmission (Jay-Dee-Em)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay-Dee-Em &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with the vague description we can only give u vague ansers...heres the best ive got

electrical:
cluster..wiring...ecu...tachometer malfunction

Motor:
transmission is stuck in certain gears

other:
put gear oil (atf or mtf)</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a good start, same thing I was thinking. Like I said, I'll ride along today to help him get a better description.

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

If I didn't know any better, I would say he has a belt driven transmission which few HX came equipped with as a trial for the Insight. I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I'm going to find out and let you guys know.

What happens is that his transmission is connected by one belt on two pyramid shaped cones. As he goes faster, the hydraulic that is connected to the backside of the transmission moves closer to the cones which makes the belt ride up on the cone which gives the effect of changing gears.

Do a search on google for CVT transmission.

By the way, I'm not a newb, I have been lurking ever since I got my 95 EX in October. Now that I have only one job which I do absolutely nothing for 6 out of my 8 hours a da, I actually have time to post.

Re: Transmission (Stizick37)
 

Here is a link to your transmission. That's gonna do it for me since I'm in a trial user boosheet state and can only post 5 times a day. I'm going back to my other forum....but I hope I solved your problem if it's actually a problem at all.

http://www.insightcentral.net/....html

How about this:

Your car is made for economy, not power nor acceleration. It has an automatic. Keep driving it from point A to point B within normal, governed speeds like the good grocery getter it is, and stop doing 120MPH on public roads.

Thanks.

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

ell i think those have like CVT trannies a friend had an hx and was saying somehting about it that the shifts are smooth and lagged out for economy= no perf.

Re: Transmission (d16prideyhay8)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16prideyhay8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ell i think those have like CVT trannies a friend had an hx and was saying somehting about it that the shifts are smooth and lagged out for economy= no perf. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I highly doubt this is the case...

CVT transmissions certainly wouldn't hold your rpms at 6k if they were designed for economy...

Also a side note... I believe audi were the first one's to do this and it was for nothing BUT performance... it allows the gear ratios to be changed constantly keeping the car in the optimum RPM range instead of dropping out of the power band to go up a gear.

Sounds to me like he has a straight forward guage problem... Probobly just a bad tach.

Re: Transmission (DragoonBear)
 

I know i'm new and all but i am actually a honda technician so here goes my answer. Your car came equiped w/CVT transmission. Stands for continuosly variable transmission. It acts similar to a clutch on like a moped or kids go kart. It should only vary engine speed with throttle pressure hence never change gears. It is designed to continously slip the final drive so what you're experiencing is normal for your car.

Re: Transmission (NonovUrbizniz)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I highly doubt this is the case...

CVT transmissions certainly wouldn't hold your rpms at 6k if they were designed for economy...

Also a side note... I believe audi were the first one's to do this and it was for nothing BUT performance... it allows the gear ratios to be changed constantly keeping the car in the optimum RPM range instead of dropping out of the power band to go up a gear.

Sounds to me like he has a straight forward guage problem... Probobly just a bad tach.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds to me like you would be the noob making a moronic statement like "CVT transmissions wouldn't hold rpms at 6k." It doesn't matter what transmission or car you drive, if you hit the throttle your car is going to go to "OPTIMUM REV" for the speed that you want to go. That's like saying your automatic transmission will shift at 2000 rpms no matter how hard you hit the gas. If he gets on the throttle in a car equipped with a CVT transmission, the revs are gonna hold steady at the appropriate performance ratio. Not to mention that we all know that you aren't going to feel the transmission shift when you have a bad tach.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to throw your 2 cent in, even though you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the person that will give people like me and civicpacrat a lot of money to fix something on your car that's not actually broken. I even posted a link and that still didn't help you.

I don't mean to be rude, but I do know that a lot of people come to forums to find answers to problems. I just want people to have the right answers to the questions that they are looking for instead of replacing the wrong items and wondering why their problem isn't fixed.

Re: Transmission (Stizick37)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stizick37 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I didn't know any better, I would say he has a belt driven transmission which few HX came equipped with as a trial for the Insight. I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I'm going to find out and let you guys know.

What happens is that his transmission is connected by one belt on two pyramid shaped cones. As he goes faster, the hydraulic that is connected to the backside of the transmission moves closer to the cones which makes the belt ride up on the cone which gives the effect of changing gears. </TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

CVT transmissions certainly wouldn't hold your rpms at 6k if they were designed for economy...
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Actually that is exactly how they work, and holding the engine at it's optimum point in it's operating range would yield the best economy.

Re: Transmission (Cypher0117)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cypher0117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">welcome to h-t

if its auto you shouldn't feel the shifts...they should be smooth. and definatly if the 120 is mph there isn't anything wrong w/ your trans shifting</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually all Honda Automatics between about 1980-2000 shift hard, its perfectly normal and due to the design.

BTW, the 98 HX has a CVT, not an actual Automatic (as known).

A CVT doesn't actually shift, it constantly varies the ratio as speed increases, if floored it should stay near the power peak of the engine, which is around 6000rpm all the way up to a governed top speed, 120MPH?.

Re: Transmission (Hurricane)
 

Wow, now I really wanna ride in his car, I've never heard of the CVT transmission. I was dumb and rushed to work right when the bell rang, plus I think he ditched school today so I didn't see him. Either way I will bring in a little more detail when I drive/ride in it. I'm also interested to see why he is only noticing this now and not before lol.

Re: Transmission (RidinStock)
 

CVT = continuously variable transmission. as explained before there are two cone type things in teh tranny.. alot of Hondas come this way.. heres a link to describer how they work better.. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/cvt4.htm

Re: Transmission (civicpacrat)
 

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Re: Transmission (Stizick37)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stizick37 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Sounds to me like you would be the noob making a moronic statement like "CVT transmissions wouldn't hold rpms at 6k." It doesn't matter what transmission or car you drive, if you hit the throttle your car is going to go to "OPTIMUM REV" for the speed that you want to go. That's like saying your automatic transmission will shift at 2000 rpms no matter how hard you hit the gas. If he gets on the throttle in a car equipped with a CVT transmission, the revs are gonna hold steady at the appropriate performance ratio. Not to mention that we all know that you aren't going to feel the transmission shift when you have a bad tach.

Sounds to me like you just wanted to throw your 2 cent in, even though you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the person that will give people like me and civicpacrat a lot of money to fix something on your car that's not actually broken. I even posted a link and that still didn't help you.

I don't mean to be rude, but I do know that a lot of people come to forums to find answers to problems. I just want people to have the right answers to the questions that they are looking for instead of replacing the wrong items and wondering why their problem isn't fixed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

When did I ever call anyone a noob?

I've been working in on and around cars since I was 14 and I'm 28...

I wouldn't pay you to do anything on my car considering I do ALL my own work.

My first statement to him was that his trans was certainly not broken...

I never bothered to read your link becuase it doesn't apply to me at all...

Once you decided to be a typical H-T D-Bag trying to look smart I did...

From your link it seems to me that his is not functioning properly... it shouldn't hold the engine at 6k unless he was either CONSTANTLY climbing a hill or in "S" instead of "D". You DO NOT get the best fuel economy reving to 6k... in ANY WAY.

Who the hell would buy a car for economy that is constantly screaming down the road at 6k???

You did mean to be rude... you just put that last bit in to look like not as much of a deusch. It didn't work.

Oh and to return the favor...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> It doesn't matter what transmission or car you drive, if you hit the throttle your car is going to go to "OPTIMUM REV" for the speed that you want to go. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh yeah... that's funny because in my car if I'm doing 30 in 2nd it doesnt' magically rev to 5-6k where I make the most power... it just kinda stays at 2-3k and slowly climbs...

It does in fact matter what trans and car you're driving because MOST cars are limited COMPLETELY by their GEAR RATIO'S... the engine can't just pop up to the "optimum rev" range without a shift... even then you probobly go into that gear a little above or below your "optimum rev"

So wtf are you talking about?

OH and...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to mention that we all know that you aren't going to feel the transmission shift when you have a bad tach.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm gunna refrain from bashing you and assume you mean he WOULD be able to feel the shifts if it was just a broken tach... And depending on the trans/throttle position... the shifts might not be that noticable.

I have no problem saying I didn't even realize that a CVT was an option on his car... because I don't keep up on new honda technical info... I was just trying to lend my general knowledge to the thread and help out... not prove anything.

Re: Transmission (NonovUrbizniz)
 

Man this thread hurt to read. Ya, your tramission is acting correctly. CVT's do just that. I had one on my Hybrid. You floor it, it would go from 0 to 5500 rpm (0 because of the engine kill at stop feature) in about 3 seconds, then the trasmission would take it from there. Once I reached the speed I wanted to go, just back off the throttle and the tranny would find the most appropriate cruising rpm for the speed I was going. I don't remember exactly what rpm that was. I want to say 2500ish

Re: Transmission (jolt-tsp)
 

You obviously don't understand what is going on. Basically I'm saying his transmission is fine.

You say you have been working on and around cars for 14 years. Just because someone has been washing dishes doesn't make them an expert. 1 + 1 does equal 4 because I have been doing math for 14 years. It's not logical or economical for 1 + 1 to equal anything other than 4.

As far as my comments to you, If you didn't know what you were talking about, you should probably check the facts (which were supplied to you in the LINK) that's what MOST people do.

I never tried to look smart, I attempted to present facts on the subject at hand. Which I feel (as do most people on the forum) deemed sufficient.

With the CVT transmission, the car doesn't hold at a constant 6k. That would only happen if the driver has his foot in the throttle, which is evident by the fact that he is going from 0 to 120 MPH.

I do apologize for my statement about "OPTIMUM REVS". It does make a difference on what transmission you have. The statement should read as follows.

In an automatic transmission, if you hit the throttle your car is going to go to "OPTIMUM REV" for the speed that you are trying to reach, even if it means shifting gears. (Which is not an issue with the CVT transmission which has no gears.)

Not to mention that we all know that you aren't going to feel the transmission shift when you have a bad tach. &lt;------That is called Sarcasm


I'm done with this thread...I feel as though I made my point. The main reason that people come to forums is to get knowledge from experts or people who have had the same problem that they had or are having to attempt to solve the problem that they asked about. When you supply the wrong information the person with the problem usually comes back and says that didn't solve the problem and usually get upset because they had to dish out money to solve the problem when it wasn't the problem to begin with. I tried to do the best I can with the universal search feature called google and it supplied me with the pertinent information to help this person solve the problem that he thought he was having. When in reality, it wasn't a problem at all.

My advice to you is to check into things before speaking your mind. Even though you have had 14 years of experience with cars, you could have knowledge, but in this case it doesn't seem like it.

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Re: Transmission (NonovUrbizniz)
 

hey can you post some cliff notes for me here? I dont feel like reading all this crap, You seem to be the only one to know what there talking about.