Too old to change transmission fluid?
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Too old to change transmission fluid?
Just picked up a 95 Civic 5 speed manual. 217k miles. Shifts HARD into gear. Dude said it just needed shifter bushings, but I dunno. Thinking about changing fluid at least, but wasn't sure if that was really a good idea where its so old. VIP tech refused saying it was too risky.
Found a used transmission on craigslist for $75, getting pulled out Monday. But I have never swapped a transmission, doesn't look hard, just really time consuming.
Found a used transmission on craigslist for $75, getting pulled out Monday. But I have never swapped a transmission, doesn't look hard, just really time consuming.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
when you say shift hard do you mean once you change gears and let of the clutch it thunks into gear? or do you mean its hard to select from one gear to another, ie wont go into gear or grinds going into gear? first symptom would be motor mounts, second one would be syncros.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
When you let off the clutch, its super smooth, no thump, clank, jolts, or grinding.
When you move the shifter from left to right, pretty loose. when you go top to bottom any gear, even coming out of a gear, its just.. super tight. like someone is holding onto the other end.
The only other thumping she makes is something completely different, think she has a blown shock.
When you move the shifter from left to right, pretty loose. when you go top to bottom any gear, even coming out of a gear, its just.. super tight. like someone is holding onto the other end.
The only other thumping she makes is something completely different, think she has a blown shock.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
The left to right slop is your shifter bushings. Replace them.
No, it isn't "too old" to replace the fluid. That happens to automatics (friction material ends up in the fluid, replace the fluid and you'll start slipping), not standards. The transmission fluid in a standard transmission only exists to keep gears running smoothly together, just like the oil in an engine. Drain the transmission, fill the transmission, and replace your bushings. Don't take it to a shop - do it yourself. It's stupidly easy.
No, it isn't "too old" to replace the fluid. That happens to automatics (friction material ends up in the fluid, replace the fluid and you'll start slipping), not standards. The transmission fluid in a standard transmission only exists to keep gears running smoothly together, just like the oil in an engine. Drain the transmission, fill the transmission, and replace your bushings. Don't take it to a shop - do it yourself. It's stupidly easy.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
When you let off the clutch, its super smooth, no thump, clank, jolts, or grinding.
When you move the shifter from left to right, pretty loose. when you go top to bottom any gear, even coming out of a gear, its just.. super tight. like someone is holding onto the other end.
The only other thumping she makes is something completely different, think she has a blown shock.
When you move the shifter from left to right, pretty loose. when you go top to bottom any gear, even coming out of a gear, its just.. super tight. like someone is holding onto the other end.
The only other thumping she makes is something completely different, think she has a blown shock.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
Use good transmission fluid. People using bad transmission fluid is where the wives tales come from, that changing old trans fluid is a bad thing.
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Check the simple things first, make sure your clutch master cylinder is full and properly bled out. Check for proper free play on your clutch pedal. Check the fluid level in the tranny. Like NotARacist said, manual trannys don't care about new fluid, it won't hurt them. That's an issue with automatics.
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So sounds pretty universal, F(*& the people who say not to change fluid. Change it, change shift bushings, inspect torque rod, inspect everything within my ability. But unless im missing something, looks like a bit of a pita to fill, the hole is on the side??
Most of the suspension was replaced with energy parts before I bought the car so ill probably stay with that for bushings. Anyone got coupons? :D
Most of the suspension was replaced with energy parts before I bought the car so ill probably stay with that for bushings. Anyone got coupons? :D
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So sounds pretty universal, F(*& the people who say not to change fluid. Change it, change shift bushings, inspect torque rod, inspect everything within my ability. But unless im missing something, looks like a bit of a pita to fill, the hole is on the side??
Most of the suspension was replaced with energy parts before I bought the car so ill probably stay with that for bushings. Anyone got coupons? :D
Most of the suspension was replaced with energy parts before I bought the car so ill probably stay with that for bushings. Anyone got coupons? :D
Yes a manual transmission always benefits from fresh fluid. Have you tried to see if you can get it into gear smoothly with the engine off? Have you inspected your shift linkage? Have you checked your motor mounts to see if they aren't effecting your shifting?
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Umm... No, no, and no. I need to buy a jack that fits under the car. Mine wont works because the kid that owned it before lowered it.
Never thought to check if it goes in gear while not running. .... that would mean the ... wait no.. what does that mean if it goes into gear/ doesnt go into gear?
Never thought to check if it goes in gear while not running. .... that would mean the ... wait no.. what does that mean if it goes into gear/ doesnt go into gear?
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
good chance someone ran over something and bent the shift rod or torque rod a little, let me find the rebuild thread I did on my 86, different year, but other then minor differences, they are pretty much the same on all models with non cable shifters.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
this is off my 86 Accord, but the shifter is for all intents and purposes the same, as a matter of fact, the energy suspension kit I found for it, is from a Civic. this at least shows you what the bushings look like and how that rear bushing works, maby it will help you http://www.3geez.com/forum/performan...k-again-4.html
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You'll need to replace the shifter bushings. Can't be that hard to jack up a lowered car. I mean you bought like that for a reason you could've at least thought about finding a way to jack it up.
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lol, i bought it cuz it was $500 and needed a car. Aaaand at the same time seemed like a nice lil project
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I think that takes the same civic energy suspension kit as what I used, part number is on my thread, world of difference between a stock bushings and the poly one, especially important for the rear bushing, as it supports the weight of the entire shifter and shift rod etc,on a single pin
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As long as the bushings are replaced we can rule that out, but we still need to verify if the linkage is bent.
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
OP you need to get this car jacked up, and on JACKSTANDS, then get someone to move the shifter through the gears while you watch the linkage, if something is bent,not working right, it will be pretty obvious from watching, it's not going to get done wondering about it on a forum
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Re: Too old to change transmission fluid?
OP you need to get this car jacked up, and on JACKSTANDS, then get someone to move the shifter through the gears while you watch the linkage, if something is bent,not working right, it will be pretty obvious from watching, it's not going to get done wondering about it on a forum
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